I entirely agree. This game type needs a lot of work. To get to the end of a match as the team that pulled ahead 40 to 10 just to have the other team get 10 invades, back to back, is simply just... silly. I get that Bungie wants things to be balanced. Clearly they are very worried about the crying 10 year old constituency of their audience... but the reality is that some players are just better than others and this game type, in it's current form, intentionally punishes those who perform well. This is the socialist version of crucible.

Gambit, at its core, is designed very well. It's not meant to be fair, it's meant to be as brutal and aggravating as possible. Sleeper and Queenbreaker are extremely overused and, as some see it, are "wuss weapons" when someone invades and relies solely on that. It's infuriating, but that's just how it is, as frustrated as you or I or another player get with weapons like those. See, Gambit is not inherently bound by as many set rules as, say, Crucible matches, that encourage going at people with tact and using all of your weapons and abilities to your advantage. It's a Gambit - high risk, high reward. You take risks, and go for the gold no matter what. It just so happens that "using cheap weapons" happens to fall under the "no matter what" clause. It'd be greatly appreciated to see some variety, but this is where you take into account the theory of [i]Dominant Strategy[/i], which often states that if a player is given an ultimate way to complete their objective, they're always going to use it. To illustrate this idea more simply, let's go to something basic, like Super Mario Bros. If Mario ALWAYS had the fire flower ability, would you ever just jump on an enemy, which carries the risks of launching into another enemy, flying off a cliff afterward, missing and colliding with the enemy to take damage, or missing and falling off a ledge? No, chances are most players would go for the safe method of staying back and firing fireball after fireball. The same is true in Gambit - if you're given an ultimate way to dispose of your enemies in a match, would you make use of it? Dishonorable as some may see it as, the majority says "yes," as evidenced by the rampant Sleeper and Queenbreaker use. As for blockers, constant small blockers is one way to go about the use of motes and, in fact, can be helpful with a little variety. Quick shotgunners can take out small blockers with ease, mediums fall to swords and linear fusion rifles, and I find my Dreaded Venture to be quite apt at bringing large blockers down to size with little over one mag's worth of rounds to the eye (to note, my Dreaded Venture has a backup mag mod and an extended mag perk, bringing the rounds from 3 to 5). The trick is to bring in some variety, which is hard because of the next paragraph... The only real problem I see with Gambit is the whole "solo players" thing. Far too often, I wind up with clueless randoms that haven't a clue how to play, and just run off on their own, without any idea as to how they should be playing, nor any idea about basic teamwork and common sense. Meanwhile, the enemy team is a whole fireteam that melts Primevals like a microwave melts butter - that is to say, really fast. The real problem isn't the game, it's the players. Some waste too much time on getting heavy blockers that they hang on to maybe six or seven motes, or maybe ten or eleven, instead of helping the team by keeping the enemy busy (I can admit, I'm guilty of this too, occasionally). Some don't even do much to help, just sit by the invasion portal and jump through once it's activated, often to die pretty much immediately. A waste of a good opportunity to punish the enemy even further, by not understanding when is and isn't the best time to invade, or even who's the best candidate for doing so. There's an abundance of loose cannons who run off on their own to do whatever, and often leave allies hanging, which can often lead to a death and a loss of hard-earned motes that the effectively-defenseless player will likely catch flak for after the match, often even by the person who should have helped. Trust me, I know a few in particular... So, basically, it's another "don't hate the game, hate the player" situation, be they enemy or ally. The only effective solution is to gather some friends (or make some in Gambit, as I've had great success in somehow, then gather them up like it's Marvel's Avengers), and get into a party chat to strategize before and during matches. If you can communicate, and all your teammates are at least somewhat coherent, then you might just be able to out-do your enemies by simple communication. Even when working with just one friend, I've had little trouble picking out invaders if he finds them first, and he and I can go for him both. By that point, I often have my Two-Tailed Fox loaded and ready, and I sometimes see them first, and fire off before their Sleeper or Queenbreaker can charge up, or dome them with a high-impact sniper before they see me. A few times, I've even taken heads off of invaders as they saw me, simply because I usually have at least one friend to help me spot them. By then, it's a matter of sighting them first and possibly getting to cover, and with help from allies drawing their fire, all that's left is a couple of good shots to the body or, with luck, a single shot to the head. If you can get a smart and effective team together to take on Gambit, you might find that most of your problems start to go away. Just be sure to have a mic or something, be in a party on your console of choice or a Discord call, or even game chat if you enjoy mics that sound like they're buried under five thousand pillows. Actually, that's another valid problem, is game chat sounding like complete garbage, but that's a general problem with D2 as a whole, and can be fixed easily by using literally any other voice chat option available to you. Except maybe Skype. So there's my overly-lengthy take on this subject. In the end, you can get angry and salty for a number of reasons like every one of us does, but if you calm your mind and consider these ideas, you'll find that your problems stem primarily from an incompetent team, which is almost a guarantee with randoms. Get a group of friends, plan ahead, stick together, and go to every length possible, even if it feels dirty, because Gambit is a dirty business, and it takes a team willing to go to every extremity for victory, to ever reach that victory. And remember, at the end of the day, it IS just a game. You'll reach that max rank one day, even if that day is not today. Hang in there, don't be discouraged, and just keep trying. After all, even in losing, you might make some friends. And isn't a friend, something real, worth more than a number in a game that'll probably be dead in a decade?

Its pretty one sided, every match I get is against a pre-made fireteam who just melt the primevil meanwhile i'm with randos who hardly know how to play or just give up halfway through bc they dont wanna go the 3rd round

I''d be happy if I could just match with people who know how to -blam!-ing play

Agree sleeper are overused

I've ran a full crucible stack team in gambit and lost to a really good PVE team that knows how to melt a boss...i have to disagree with you

This gamemode has a huge potential for competitive play. How all the roles (portal person, mote collector etc.) work together to complete the objective has a huge potential to create interesting matches.

Man I respect the opinion but I gotta disagree. Now keep in mind. I am 9-0 in gambit currently. I have only qued as a 3 man with a few buddies. The blockers unless it is a 15 are stupidly easy, and if there are more than 1 simply call out for help if you are with someone and we had no problem but we could see where teams were struggling. So many people wanna save 15 and dump them while my team is just dumping 5s until we specifically hit 1st invasion then my friend would go and kill them and punish them for all having 15 motes. Its simple really whoever is faster wins as it should be. As for the invader things I found if they were using a sleeper they were quite difficult to deal with sure, but mostly team shots made quick work of people.

Nope. GG.

It'd be better without supers and heavy ammo like every other PvP mode in the game, but I still have fun with it

Also hate that i keep on facing against teams of 4

Sleeper really does ruin the mode

But have you tried getting good? I don't collect motes, I kill enemy's and let my team bank. I usually invade with a pulse rifle and 3 tap enemies. When Invaders enter, I stop what I'm doing and hunt him down. They spawn on the corners of the map. Same places you would spawn if you were invading. Look there first. I drop them as fast as I can so our prime evil doesn't get health back. I'm ok with the sleeper. It gets me every now and then, but not enough to rage over. And I'm a solo player. You win some you lose some. But I know I can hold my own and support my team. Adaptation is key to success. Think on the fly. Learn from mistakes.

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