TL; DR: Most of us here who call-out Bungie on their bullshit, and challenge players about their support of this company, have played the hell out of this game, and loved it for years. We’re not “haters,” we're simply fed-up and disgusted with the way Bungie handled D1, and are deeply skeptical about D2 based on opinions formed through evaluation of the available information. [u]There's nothing blind about it.[/u] Lastly, if we want to end the release of half-baked bullshit AAA games – where we are the PAYING beta testers – then we as gamers need to change our spending habits. [u]Full Post:[/u] The word “hater” is tossed-around these forums lot. I get called a hater around here on a pretty regular basis, which got me thinking about why that is. True haters are pretty rare around here. Sure, there are a few folks around here who will shit on anything Bungie does, but they are fewer than you might think, and there are FAR FEWER blind haters than seemingly blind fans around here. I emphasize the word "blind," defined here as [i]lacking perception, awareness, or discernment,[/i] and it's borne from the logical disconnect that spread like wildfire around here lately, where fans of the game told the skeptical among us to: Wait for the reveal; then, wait for the beta; then, wait for the full release...before forming our opinions on D2. At each of these argumentative stages, the fans would accuse the haters of not having enough information to formulate negative opinions on the game; yet it was perfectly acceptable for fans to have formed strongly positive opinions on the game. What gives? You can be excited for D2. I hope the game is epic! Just be sure not to put on rose-colored glasses, only to turn around and accuse haters of being blind. We’ve got our eyes wide open, and just don’ like what we see. I repeat: Many of us once loved the game - Destiny was the ONLY game I played for more than 2 years! - but have become so disgusted and disenfranchised by Bungie's handling of D1, AND their many questionable choices already regarding D2, that it can be very hard not to lash-out at those who to us seem, once again, blinded by shiny hype. It can get really confusing, too. I mean, how often do we read something like this around here: "I'm a PvE player, and I sure hope PvE doesn't suffer due to decisions made for PvP. Can't wait for my Collector's Edition!" [b]WTF?[/b] D2 [u]will[/u] be tuned entirely for PvP - Hell! It already has been! - yet you paid over-full-price for the game essentially sight-unseen, nonetheless. [i]smh[/i] It's that lack of logic, the refusal to look at the game or company critically (which one should do even if they love the product), that frustrates many of us. Money is the [b]ONLY[/b] language Bungie understands anymore. Most "haters" just wish people would keep it in their damn pockets and demand a better game. [u]It's the only way things will change[/u]. I think we can all agree: the frequency of half-baked, unfinished, problem-ridden AAA releases is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. And that last point is [b]THE[/b] point for me. If we don't close our wallets to these releases, [u]we are doomed to continue to be little more than paying beta testers.[/u] My suggestion: never pre-order and never buy a game Day 1. Imagine what games would look like at launch if we held onto our money UNTIL we had trusted reviews of actual gameplay? No more "let's just see if this works" bullshit from developers. I'm looking right at you, Bungie, because your devils-deal with Activision has made you the worst - or the best, if you're a shareholder - at selling a substandard product based on shiny hype. Bottom line: Haters are a lot more thoughtful than you might think, and the position taken by MOST of us - don't support the status quo of unfinished AAA releases - is one that, if implemented, would benefit all gamers (yes, you too, guy who's about to flame me below. LOL).