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4/24/2017 6:58:28 PM
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An argument against mandatory police body cameras
I had an interesting conversation about body cameras recently.
Since being introduced to the idea of body cams, I've been a huge fan of mandatory body cams for police. It would protect the civilian from abuse and protect the cop from false accusations.
However, I recently had a conversation about body cams with a friend of mine who is LAPD. He pointed out that he's mostly in favor of them, however, it doesn't give him much wiggle room when it comes to letting people off.
For example: if he pulls someone over for speeding, and while writing them a ticket, he sees they have marijuana in the car [not being smoked or ingested, just in a bag] he would be required to cite them for this if he had a mandatory body cam. If he were recorded letting people off for infractions, he could face consequences from his commanders.
Granted, this conversation happened before CA legalized marijuana possession, but the point still stands.
Just an interesting perspective.
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This is why I'm unsure with body cameras. I'm in the exact same boat as you. I feel they should be mandatory but there's also moments when I feel they aren't necessary.
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I've been let off easy before, so I definitely feel what you're saying. However, do you really think that all the footage will be reviewed? From my understanding, body camera footage would only be used in extreme cases that end up in court as evidence. I doubt there would be any reason to review a regular pull over and let off the hook case
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2 Risposte[quote]I had an interesting conversation about body cameras recently. Since being introduced to the idea of body cams, I've been a huge fan of mandatory body cams for police. It would protect the civilian from abuse and protect the cop from false accusations. However, I recently had a conversation about body cams with a friend of mine who is LAPD. He pointed out that he's mostly in favor of them, however, it doesn't give him much wiggle room when it comes to letting people off. For example: if he pulls someone over for speeding, and while writing them a ticket, he sees they have marijuana in the car [not being smoked or ingested, just in a bag] he would be required to cite them for this if he had a mandatory body cam. If he were recorded letting people off for infractions, he could face consequences from his commanders. Granted, this conversation happened before CA legalized marijuana possession, but the point still stands. Just an interesting perspective.[/quote] You example was terrible. It makes the officer look bad for not enforcing the drug laws. I do see what you are saying and I agree, but I think I might have a better one. My dad was a cop. Years ago he was out on patrol and saw a guy run a red light. He put on the lights and went after him. The guy did not stop or even slow down for several miles despite his brake lights coming on repeatedly, but he never sped up either which my dad thought was strange. Finally after about 5 miles, the guy pulled over and he was in a near state of tears. As dad looked around the guy's vehicle, he noticed a shattered Coca~Cola bottle under the brake pedal. The guy had accidentally dropped his coke bottle on the floor and it rolled under the brake pedal preventing the guy from stopping. My dad let the guy off without so much as a warning because this was a simple accident. Had dad been forced to wear a body cam in those days, he may have been forced to cite the guy for running the red light and evading the police.
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What's the point in having laws if our enforcers don't enforce them, besides that what kind of pothead keeps their shit in plain sight, imo, they deserve to be cited.
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Im with op on this
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Modificato da Lord Tronic: 4/27/2017 3:06:58 AMI don't think they would review everything on the camera. If they did have a camera they would probably only review it if there was some sort disagreement over the ticket, the cops behavior etc.
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As a counterargument, make it so that all cops have to wear them, and are allowed to activate/deactivate them as they see fit, and double up cops. That way, you can record the actions from two or more perspectives, and there isn't pressure to force charges on minor issues
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It's good and bad I would think. They either have to be absolute when enforcing laws so that they don't get hammered or if they have a conscience and decide to let someone off know that they'll have to justify it to their superiors. This is me not knowing if the cams are reviewed monthly or whatever. Me personally Id feel like I would have to act like a friggin robot wearing these...
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It's more work that's for sure.
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Legalize weed, & the problem is solved.
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IMO the pros outweigh the cons. Make it so the tapes are only reviewed when there are questions over events. In that instance, the dude in your example would have to play nice to the copper who turned a blind eye to the weed, because if he challenged it and upon review the weed was spotted - whoops, looks like another potential charge.
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4 Risposteso what you're saying is we should just pick and choose which laws we want to follow and which ones we don't right? like immigration laws right?
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A good example of why body cams would be good. The recent united airlines event with the passenger that was man handled into a arm rest. The incident report that the security guards filed about the event contradicts the video evidence of what actually happened. http://time.com/4753613/united-dragging-police-reports-dao/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29 http://documents.latimes.com/incident-report-about-passengers-removal-united-flight/ Phillip de Franco talks a little on it in his most recent video. He also makes the point that it's why body cams would be a good idea. https://youtu.be/VN3Sy7tajtw Let me know what you think.
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1) Of a law is arbitrarily enforced it shouldn't be a law altogether. 2) No one is sitting down at the end of the day to watch all of officers body cam footage, it likely would only be viewed if a case was challenged or an investigation was launched
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Cops are hired with a specific set of rules. They should follow them, no matter how much it may be an inconvinience.
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So what you're saying is that cops don't actually hate liberal hippies and actually go out of their way to help them out sometimes and the liberal hippie "anti cop" retards are actually shooting themselves in the foot by requesting body cams? XD All my lols
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14 Risposte[quote]For example: if he pulls someone over for speeding, and while writing them a ticket, he sees they have marijuana in the car [not being smoked or ingested, just in a bag] he would be required to cite them for this if he had a mandatory body cam. If he were recorded letting people off for infractions, he could face consequences from his commanders.[/quote] So he gets in trouble for not following the rules of his job and a person breaking the law gets away Scott free? Great counter argument
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Rather the cop be at risk of trouble for not doing his job then he walks free while another human bleeds out on the cold ground.
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6 RisposteI hate certain laws but an argument of a cop not being able to break the law in my favor isn't really an argument imo
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4 RisposteWhat's with you guys being okay with violating the law? Drugs, illegal immigration. but when it comes to guns, and freedom of religion and speech that's too much freedom.
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5 RisposteSo, you want the cops to excuse illegal activity?
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4 RisposteNow I tend to disagree with Mad Max on a lot of things, however I'm not sure why this has 0 upvotes. It's well worded, well thought out, not attacking conservatives, actually something that makes you think, yet the herd minded conservatives of bnet can't think for themselves. Disappointing. [spoiler][b]Begone[/b] with the thunderclap[/spoiler]
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Tbh, I don't like the idea of the government watching my every move. As for the body cams, I don't know about this specific subject to form an opinion much less argue about it.
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I can understand your point, but I'm personally okay with it if it means everyone receives the same treatment. As awesome as it feels when an officer "lets you off with a warning", it honestly does show a certain level of unprofessionalism in his/her job. It's not their place to decide what they do and don't enforce in the law. So if we're going to be outraged when a cop oversteps their authority and does something "bad", then we should be equally offended when that abuse of authority goes in our favor. So, if the body cams result in me getting popped for weed, or getting that speeding ticket when I otherwise would have gotten a warning.. but it also results in fewer of these heinous abuses of power we've seen lately.. I'm okay with that.
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Not really a strong argument though. Breaking the law is breaking the law. It's cool that cops will give you a break sometimes on things like that but I have advice for X_BONGRIPPER420_X: Leave your stash at home dummy.
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Modificato da Racebum: 4/25/2017 9:13:45 PMThat's actually a really solid point. I mean the only way you can get around that is to have the commanders and sergeants and everyone in on it and allow the officers some discretion. Basically allow them to see weed in the car and not do anything if they don't want to. Prosecutors don't prosecute every crime that crosses their desk. You don't really have to force police to either Body cams really need to happen as it will do a lot more good than it will ever do harm.
