As a sunbreaker main, I can admit that sunbreaker & hammer of sol are both better than blade dancer and it's super (don't even know the name haha). That being said, sunbreaker did not at all need a nerf but blade dancer could've used a small buff in some aspect.

Blade dancer > Sunbreaker. Outside the super,Hammers have Cauterize, that's about it. Blade Dancers get Fast twitch or backstab, quickdraw, skips, invis or hungering blade. It just offers so much more. The supers? Yeah HoS is better imo, but that's the only area Sunbreakers outpace Blade Dancers.

Blade dancer has better neutral game. But considering how many nerfs their neutral game has gotten over destiny's life span and continues to get it. and the neutral game of Sunbreakers are not even bad. just nothing remarkable. Fast twitch is superior to back stab. BS is only taken because front stab "can" happen. I'd rather have my melee more often. Oh and sunbreaker has a perk that is comparable to fast twitch. if you land a melee kill with a charged melee you instantly have your melee back. Yep quick draw. skips are good. But sunbreakers have both incendiary and fusion nades. incendiary is amazing fro groups and fusions are the best stickies in the game for pvp. invis is pointless in pvp unless you shotgun camp. Hungering blade is pretty much the same as cauterize now. Differences being one has a CD but can get regen back from all ability kills VS hungering which has no cool down but is limited to melee and super. You can make an argument for which is better. I personally believe cauterize is better. You've already seen my comparison between each super. And the fact that titan skating exists and they also can have more armor than a hunter could ever achieve. Sunbreakers are better imo. If we were discussing blade dancers at their prime VS sunbreakers at their prime it would be a more even comparison. but at the moment sunbreakers>blade dancers.

You'll have to forgive the lateness of my reply, as I've currently experiencing more pressing matters. [spoiler]Pissing blood, hopefully nothing serious[/spoiler] Doesn't seem like we disagree that much MongrelShadow14, but it's coming across like your advocating a nerf to Sunbreaker as some sort of compensation to dissatisfied players. I don't understand the desire for revenge on a party that isn't responsable Is a blood sacrifice really necessary? I get that Blade Dancer has been -blam!-ed over once again by bungie, but people don't seem to understand that we enable this shit through the constant whining. I personally love the subclass, along with gunslinger, but I don't want to see other classes I enjoy being crushed just to even scores. Only thing I really wanted gone was Jugg, and skips toned down slightly. Buffing of under used weapons would've been cool too. :(

PFT. okay. double skips? requires an exotic. Why would I drop my bones? those give me a constant benefit. and a HUGE bump to my mobility since blink has been dead for a while now. Double skips is also HUGELY un needed if you 1) can throw well. and 2) are not playing a huge game mode. If you got either one or both nade back on spawn it would be worth. but it's not needed. Front stab is a bug. and it doesn't happen everytime you need it. bad talking point. besides. fast twitch (faster CD) is much better since hungering blade. and with the recent shotgun changes a melee is going to be needed more than ever. Quick draw is the ONLY good thing about BD's. Except using the super to make any swipes that doesn't connect to an enemy results in a pretty heafty loss of super. You clearly don't know BD. And no. Hammer of sol is better. they have built in range on their super. have AOE on their super. Can one shot anyone mid super (providing you take the perk to do so) technically better movement because titan skating. and i'm pretty sure their lunge distance is farther (taking suncharge) Not to mention their cauterize perk gives health back on ANY ability kill. Hungering blade only works on melee and super. Please don't speak when you don't know shit.

Cauterize works on a cool down, Hungering Blade does not. You can heal 3 times in 3 seconds. Titans can heal once. You have AoE on arc blade with Showstopper, not used much in crucible, but then that's the case with sunspots too isn't it? Mobility with Arc Blade > Skating with HoS. Far more agile and you can outright evade incoming fire with blink. I'm sorry Bungie broke your toy, but it doesn't give you right to wreck mine. [quote]Please don't speak when you don't know shit.[/quote] See that sarcy lil line right there? That's why you -blam!-s get no sympathy from me.

I don't need your sympathy. and nothing you stated countered what I posted to counter the guy I replied to. The CD while important doesn't slow you down since you have better group kill potential due to AOE explosions. Plus titans naturally have higher armor. you can more easily kill a BD with a shotgun then you can a hammer of sol. What mobility? titan skating is faster than the fastest sprint speed of a hunter. and faster than the better control combo with bones. And the fact that you are even talking about blink in a positive way at all Really shows that you have no idea on the class at all. The only thing blink is good for is being defensive. But the added delay in it after leaving it and the trail means if someone is actually paying attention they will kill you. Also. where did you get the idea that I wanted HoS or the subclass to be nerfed? I never said in my reply that I wanted it nerfed. hell. I DEFENDED HoS before it got nerfed way back when. if you don't believe me I could gladly link the threads. All I was doing was pointing out the flaws in the guys reply and explained why HoS is better. stop trying.

Of course you want it nerfed, that's why you're drawing all these comparisons. Nerfs for other classes is all you Hunter mains ask for. Well shits come home to roost. Enjoy the fruits of your labour. :)

[url]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/158417903?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=0[/url] [url]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/162047196?showBanned=0&path=0[/url] Might be missing a thread or 2. and really? Still can't debunk anything i've said. and are you freaking dense? The guy I replied to said and I quote "Also, I don't even play sunbreaker, but it is underpowered compared to blade dancer." SO I compared them. If you say one more retarded thing you're just getting muted. actually pay the -blam!- attention if you're going to reply to me.

I would've been 100% a-okay with a Skip nade nerf. The super was already very below average... Bungie is always known for nerfing/buffing the wrong stuff so I really don't know why I'm surprised....

But it's not 100% official yet, no patch notes released so it is subject to change.