To be fair some of the changes were just pure bull sh€t. They could've brought shotguns down a bit and buffed sidearms, snipers, and fusions. And it's gonna be a hand cannon meta, I'll call it now. [spoiler]Quite happy with the low rof auto buff though [/spoiler]

Look, I think all of it is fine besides the special economy stuff. Just take a moment to think about what will happen in trials with this in place. Because I don't think BUNGIE did.

There's alot of really good competitive players I'd say just pick 5 of the most know though the destiny community to a have discussion on what should change what needs fixes etc

The buff to slow rof autos was needed, not sure why they nerfed hungering blade though

What I'm a bit concerned about, to be entirely honest (I didn't play destiny in the late months because I don't have time and I'm not even interested any further, though I've played EVERY single meta and mastered every single meta of this game), is the fact that there is literally no game design logic behind this update. I've studied a bit in the past months about game design topics, and I'm a bit astonished about this update, and the reasons I'm being astonished are: - I always felt that primaries where somewhat balanced: what I mean is that high rate of fire pulse rifles where not excessively overpowered, I just felt they were used by most of the players, but there also are other weapons as valid as them, they just cover different ranges. - Shotguns had some very strong perks and were (most of the times) extremely consistent: making them more inconsistent is a thing, of course, but the main problem of these is the fact that the player's movement is SO FAST that a shot + a meele will likely still kill everything. - The special ammos nerf is somewhat senseless: you've already punished people by not allowing them to have shotguns with unfair range, why do you punish them so that they can't have special ammos any further? Also, there are some side questions that I've been asking myself, and I really feel that bungie forgot about them: 1) I can surely predict that people will start using No Land Beyond (not only because of infinite ammos, but also because it has a predictable flinch), because special ammos will be rarer. That, combined with a sidearm (which doesn't suffer the special ammos nerf), will guarantee a One-Shot (with headshot) sniper rifle along with a sort of last word as a secondary weapon, granting, along with that, infinite ammos whatsoever for both weapons (so sniper + TLW combo alternative). 2) Alternatively, people will start using Ice Breaker as a secondary weapon to grant them ammos for sniping. As a consequence, they will likely hold an auto rifle as a primary or.. just a pulse rifle or an hand cannon because someone else does it or they are just used to them. 3) Universal Remote will become, once again, a pretty solid primary to use: along with the chaperone it doesn't suffer the headshot nerf for shotguns, it's consistent, have a decent range and infinite ammos. So what? I know some very good players that can use the universal remote pretty well (one of them is at #3 place in guardian[dot]gg in the Salvage category, and switched from universal remote to matador, so will likely go back to it no). They will need to take care of special ammos, but they likely can use a sidearm for middle range and will be fine with it, or still can use a sniper rifle and switch back to sidearm if they die. So, my question is not really whether the sandbox team is so bad at playing that they don't understand their own game, but rather if such update was not really meant to fix shotguns but rather to switch the meta to something else? I'm really looking forward to test such a meta, but I'm not really confident it will solve any of the thousand issues the crucible currently has (and I'm really a lot concerned about the universal remote, really).

I couldnt even finish watching that game they did to test it all out. 'These are the best players we have' Atleast try (i hope they wasnt trying) so we can see it properly...that game just hurt my head, they were just...awful

It was the worst display of Crucible gameplay I have ever seen. For people who are "fans of the game", "play the game" and "love Iron Banner", I wouldn't trust them to break a 0.2 kd in a below average lobby. Also, the Skorri issue completely brushed off. "What? Skorri? That everyone has been talking about for an hour now? Nah, we did nothing to artefacts. Yo, check this out though. I died so I lose my special ammo again. How cool is THAT?" It was a -blam!-ing joke for about 75% of the stream. Pathetic.

Agree 100 percent. Some of these changes hit out of left field for me. Honestly I use a shotgun usually but do enjoy sniping and fusions. What happened to bringing primaries up? I thought bungee didn't want to just nerf shotguns into the ground. Maybe I'm missing a lot and only reading negatively into this patch but it sure seems all they really did was remove the Matador, Clever Dragon, and Juggernaught Titans.

I think they do this rebalance every few months simply to keep people grinding for god rolls. Ah you got god rolled clever dragon and matador well done. Now we're going to cut the balls off your guns please go grind for LroF pulses and autos now. In a few months we'll nerf them ...

DeeJ has 1 day 18 hours play time and a .6 KD. And I thought I sucked.

While I am excited to use primaries again I am bit concerned that the special ammo change will end proving very Imbalanced and promote the beginning of the matches to be mostly camping. Be prepared to see Ice Breaker and Invective everywhere.

They don't have to be pro to know their own game.

Just proves that there's more idiots at bungie & still they haven't addressed the real problems in destiny so much for your sandbox you might as well just take a crap in it & it would still look the same no update for pve patrol no update for pve in general no update for the rewards system aka rng no update for light level rewards from vanders no update for xur loot table no update on the removal of cap on credits Edit: I have not time for pvp elitists or morons or streamers that back the idiots at bungie when it comes to this game & if you don't like my opinion on this then to bad. I stand by what I said that bungie has not addressed the problem in this game

Who else is ready for a sidearm meta?

I'm 100% sure no matter what they nerfed or buffed we would be seeing the same complaint threads with different wording.

Don't see why they couldn't update pvp monthly tweaking certain parts here n there

So glad I quit this game.