Trials Of Osiris, was a place for teams to compete in elimination against other teams to try and get prizes and 9-0 cards. Where honestly people had a chance to win with a decent amount of skill. People would team up and work together and no quit. Now it's turned into nothing but Twitch streamers carrying, lack of SBMM or CBMM, and breeds an insurmountable amount of hate and hostility towards each other as players. The numbers don't lie there has been a significant drop in new people making it to the light house. It's a consistent same "Sweaties/tryhards" who smash anyone in their path to make it to the lighthouse and then continue to do it for fun. You have people PAYING MONEY to get carried to the light house cause it's so hard to do now with the way it's set up. Year 2 trials is an absolute horrid monster and needs to be slain. Now with this Destiny Trials Reports people are being SHUNNED by others for ELO and stats, and you, Bungie!, who nerfed Gjallarhorn because you didn't like the divide in the community have SHOWCASED this cancer that destroys the community more than anything else you've done to the game has. Trials is no longer fun. It's no longer a challenge. It's a horrible slog that it near impossible to reach the end. SBMM/CBMM is non existent factor that should be implemented as players who have struggled to get where they are go against people who have a breeze to get to the same win and then the players who struggled are knocked back down to peg one to start over or get lagged out. Trials is no longer a friendly community rivalry game mode but a place where people can make money? It's corrupt and breeds hate amongst player base. The top stay at the top while the bottom cannot move up at all. Please fix trials. Go back to Year 1 or make a better formula. Trials is not where you want it to be, and you cannot let it get worse. Please fix Trials.
EDIT: Wasn't aware that SBMM wasn't included in Trials. Which is kinda of dumb as again being a team who struggled to get to 5 wins playing against a team who had a breeze getting to 5 wins is still bad.
EDIT 2: Not attacking streamers who stream the game, moreso streamers who get paid to carry/carry in general. You're ruining the game mode even more by carrying.
EDIT 3: A bracketed rank would be more than ideal as that's how pretty much every other shooter does with their "competitive" game modes, thank you to people in the comments posting their ideas, I appreciate it a lot. And to the people who are against this, all I have to say is "why?" Why would you be against more players having a chance? What's wrong with that? If you're good now, that's not going to change. It'll still be "hard" as you claim it should be. It'll just be a more personalized challenged to you and your team. So why are you against it? You say you're amazing and that it's supposed to be hard and challenging and "not meant for everybody" but how is it hard when you face a lot of teams not even close to you? Scared that when push comes to shove you'll fold? Just wondering tbh...
EDIT 4: Never said I personally could not make it to 5 wins. That was used as an example as to why the playing against someone with the same wins isn't as fair as you'd think. And by the way, artificial difficulty, isn't a challenege. It isn't competitive, it's something you're making up to be hard to justify it. Again there is NO reason you should be against changing trials for everyone. The game is 2 years old with the final expansion on its way. It's not a hardcore game in any sense of the word, just let everyone have a chance to get to the light house, and as someone commented below "the real scrubs will fail regardless". Also btw, saying that its supposed to be hard and not for everyone, but then saying carries are okay, should probably leave the post cause you're being very hypocritical. Also this "practice practice practice" mentality isn't always the answer. If you can't even have a chance to put what you've learned to the test and see where you went wrong, Again there is absolutely NO REASON for you to be against this. Even if you don't like SBMM then even CBMM would be better.
EDIT 5: Forget to mention something. The current meta, i.e HROF Pulses or Autos/Snipers for the most part. Before in Trials, I could use almost any weapon I wanted to as long as it wasn't complete trash, Suros, Red Death, maybe an Invective for fun. Maybe a slow hand cannon with high impact, you get where I'm going with this. You could have weapon diversity and again, compete. You're competing with other people with YOUR personal favorite guns and set up. But now it's the same everywhere. The meta is also currently killing trials slowly, what happened to really testing your mettle with the weapons and set up you bonded with? Why does the new meta have to be the new meta. Is your chant of "git gud" also "get the same weapons everyone else is using" ? This isnt' going away for three days straight this post has gotten attention from a LOT of people. Keep replying for or against, whatever. This WILL get noticed by Bungie, and WE WILL as a COMMUNITY seek changes.
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112 RisposteIts so simple. Trials needs Bracket play. I dont know why its not a thing already. Probably because cozmo plays with youtubers and streamers all the time. There is zero reason a group of 13-1400 elo players draw a match against a team of 2100elo. Bracket play will only make it more competitive for everyone. People who oppose it just like pub stomping with their elite friends.
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1 RispondiYour saltiness is the reason why i play for "fun" and destroy your dreams. =)
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[quote] The numbers don't lie there has been a significant drop in new people making it to the light house. [/quote] Where are these numbers?
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1 RispondiDon't blame the streamers too. There just people who want to show their content. There probably good at pvp all together. There just normal people who stand put to tthis community. I agree with the statement of streamers carrying people for money. But I do believe on some parts of your argument.
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2 RisposteModificato da Semper Fidelis: 7/6/2016 2:17:48 PMstreamers (trials): no real job using keyboard & mouse playing just trials (popular) they dont care about the people they carry only looking for donations/subs wanna protect them?
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3 RisposteFirstly, I have read all of your arguments and I perfectly understand where you are coming from. Here is some of my [b]constructive counter arguments[/b]: (not directly to your arguments) -Even if Bungie decided to make it another Tier for people who have gone to the Lighthouse that week, most of the streamers who do carries don't even need to go flawless on their card so they don't even buy buff or boons so technically, they can do carries for people all weekend in the lower tier. -Even with Tiers that rank people according to different qualities, there will also be a large amount of "Smurfs" account floating around in the lowest Tier and dominate everyone. (Most of them being the people who offers carry service directly on the buyer's account) -In my opinion, it is not fair to punish the people that put serious game time to get better in the game. So if there are different tiers, there should be increasingly better rewards for the upper tier. (I am sure top tier players would not have a problem playing competitively ONLY IF there are Bragging Rights goodies, Ranking System that come along with it) This will also motivates lower tier players to thrive for the next tier. -Dividing Trial's participants base into many tiers will decrease a chance of finding a game with GOOD CONNECTION. With a smaller pool of players to pull from, it is obvious that you will end up playing with people all over the world -> Connection Issues [b][u]My suggestion[/u][/b]: In my perspective, I do not care if there are a lot of people making it to the Lighthouse. Top tier players don't even care about the Lighthouse loot anymore. My suggestion would be: keeping the matchmaking system as it is, but change the requirement to make it easier for people to make it to the Lightouse. [b]You still have to get 9 wins on your card and your card will end only when you got 3 losses. Boons still works the same. Armor and Weapon Rewards after 5&7 wins would also stay the same. This will allow some extra room for errors but still gives you a sense of achievement when you make it[/b]
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Once you go Flawless once in a week, you should be matchmade ONLY with others who have gone Flawless.
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+1 OP killin it ITT unfortunately this is bungie with regards to trials: [url]https://forbiddenmusicdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/lalala-i-cant-hear-you1.jpg[/url]
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10 RisposteI can't form an opinion on the subject as I have not attempted Trials enough. I do not have a friend base that enjoys PvP so my Trials experience is a total of 2 cards completed I believe. I'm almost willing to pay for a lighthouse visit just to check the box on my Grimoire. If you look at mine... PvP is the only stuff I'm missing.
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Well said, Bump.
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10 RisposteModificato da Tragedy: 7/6/2016 2:43:29 AMI used to enjoy playing trials, but streamers and try hards have ruined it! We as players have the power to change it. Make it boring for the try hards and stop watching the streamers. Stop playing trials! The rewards don't merit the effort it takes to get there. Stop playing Trials and Bungie will take notice that something has to change with it. Simple as that!
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1 RispondiI want 1v1 pvp I hate searching for teams for Trials...it's what made me quit playing it. I also hate being team shot. 1V1 ME
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I'm looking for a regular carry, willing to pay =)
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6 RisposteAre you listening bungie?
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2 RisposteI have to agree with everything you have said, in particular "the hate and hostility towards each other as players"...I have received quite a few toxic messages from opposition players which is fine. However, when the experience starts to create arguments between your own fire team members you have to say enough is enough. I had a very heated row with a good friend this weekend during trials resulting in the two of us rage quitting. Thankfully, our friendship is good enough that a txt message afterwards apologising to each other has sorted our ridiculous disagreement. This should not happen, its a bloody game for -blam!-s sake but the whole experience is so broken it is easy to get frustrated with each other. I for one won't be putting my friendships at risk again and will be leaving trials well alone from now on until something is done.
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1 RispondiModificato da Bible Runner: 7/6/2016 2:18:58 PMTrials, yawn…. boring. I love the sweaty part hate; Total kills vs the time spent completing a card Campers Waiting for revives Spawn kills What would make it better; No rounds Highest score wins Campers are highlighted Death to instant respawn time.
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1 RispondiModificato da Gravezero: 7/6/2016 9:21:22 AMI've said it a thread and a made a thread about it, but the easiest way to eliminate all the constant sniping? Easy make it so the only special you have are the rounds you spawn in with. No picking up special. If you're secondary weapon only has 5 rounds well, better be cautious on how you use it. Edit: and res sniping is stupid.
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2 RisposteBungie don't use ELO rankings, that's a 3rd party thing.
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Bungie needs to see this, this is the most relevant post I've seen today
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1 Rispondi"it's so hard to do now with the way it's set up" "It's no longer a challenge" Uhhhhhh what?
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Couldn't agree with you more. Trials in its first month or even first few months was so much fun and had a thrill to it. Now you try going into trials with a team of super average 1.0 k/ds or thereof and you get match made with freaking insane trick shotters and jump snipers and god knows what else. I don't have a history of playing CoD and Destiny was the first time I bought a console and really stuck with it. Its been close to a year I have used a controller for crying out loud. That being said I managed to go flawless a couple of times in year 1 with just us casual friends. Come year 2 I had to look up and make friends with a far more skilled player from the forums. Tried several times with the same set of friends and finally did it 2 weekends later .. and I tell you this ---- those were the sweatiest matches I have ever had in my life. I like sweaty but not for every single -blam!-ing match!! How about unranked and ranked playlists for trials? How about giving other guardians a chance who don't have streamer friends or want to pay $80 for a carry? Thats just wrong.
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I would much rather get shit on then go 8-1 every damn week like I've been doing
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1 RispondiStopped playing trials awhile ago haha nothing but laggy basement dwelling twitch tryhards wannabes...
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I can almost bet you that Bungie WILL make a change to ToO with ROI DLC. The change is that it will be harder to go flawless, just the way I like it!