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6/24/2016 12:14:26 AM
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Ok I'm lost. Who the hell beat Crota the first time??

Ok so I used to be a lore junky but stopped caring after TTK (except for the Books of Sorrow which are awesome). One question that always irked my brain: Why did Crota need to be resurrected from his throne world in that TDB mission if he murked everybody on the moon?? So Crota killed hundreds of guardians on the moon (he bent Wei-Nieng over his blade like a chump) but what forced him back to his throne world? Why did Eris and crew have to go there instead of fighting him on the moon? Oryx, Savathun, Zivu-Arath (sp?), and Crota's sisters had to be killed in our universe first before entering their throne world. So who the hell killed the beastmonster Crota?? I'm thinking this is a major plothole
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  • He wasn't killed oryx ordered him back to his throne world and I think for hive lesser than orxy and his siblings you need special rituals to come back out.

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  • [quote]Eris morn was a blade dancer hunter. Ironically, She was very close with ikora and the hidden (is one of the only known hunters in ikora's elite hidden). Her closest comrade was the Sunsinger warlock, Eriana-3. There are no documents stating any of her accolades -or even her existence - before the fall of Mara Imbrium, aka the great disaster. Those unaware, the great disaster was one of the city's worse failures to date. We were too audacious and trusted too much in our inflated hubris after winning twilight gap. Because of this, the city's officials completely ignored the admonishments from those such as Ulan-tan's symmetry (his faction of followers, and legacy), shaxx after seeing the hive use sword logic, or even Toland the shattered; the most knowledgeable of any guardian on the darkness and the hive. And due to the city's inept decision making, we attempted to take back Luna from the hive... and we failed miserably. Thousands of guardians were lost to a shadow of crota who was near omnipotent to our forces. It was so horrid, that the praxic fire was nearly completely wiped out. The only praxic fire member who remained was Eriana-3. Even the great Wei ning (powerful Titan) fell on Crota's blade, despite her defiance. Eris, along with eriana wished for vendetta. After pleading, ikora allowed them to have all the hidden's files on the hive. Though this was not enough. Eriana-3 knew they required more knowledge. She recalled a certain voidwalker who admonished the city of what would occur at Imbrium. One who was later exiled due to him conversing with the darkness. Toland is who they set out to find. And find him they did Toland enlightened them on the severity of the circumstances. The darkness told him that crota would not cease at merely the moon. He would turn Luna into a brood moon, and then have his spawn attack earth and consume us all. And soon his father would take what remains. Suffice to say, eris and eriana-3 were flustered at his sayings. But if any could help them, it would be Toland. He told them crota was invincible at the disaster because that was merely a shadow of him. The true crota was in his throne room, and only by entering this throne room would they be able to defeat this "god" Eris and eriana-3 then recruited 3 more guardians to assist them in creating a raid team to kill crota and take back the moon. This team was now Eris: blade dancer Eriana-3: Sunsinger Vel tarlowe: striker Omar agah: gunslinger Sai mota: bladedancer And Toland would also accompany them, for his own intentions But as eris told us: [u][b]"6 of us went down into the pit... Only 1 crawled out"[/b][/u] They set out to the hell mouth, and ventured down to the abyss. Here they were ambushed by alak-hul the dark blade, and Verok the wizard. They eviscerated that of tarlowe before he even realized. Angered, sai and eriana chased after Verok, leaving the others. Soon they were lost. Sai was driven to insanity by the darkness, and the hordes of thrall. She attempted to run. To climb out. She... fell Eriana 3 saw it. Saw sai fall. She was truly angered. (Never anger a Sunsinger). She was tired of losing allies. Tired of fleeing. So she stayed and fought on - and killed - hundreds, if not thousands, of hive. All in one last gallant effort. And she kept her promise. [u][b]"In those final moments, she was wholly and luminous. And I wished to be so brave"[/b][/u] Eris and Omar were now lost from the calamity. And Toland was no where to be found. The didn't realize omnigul was right behind them. She tore the very light off of Omar, leaving him a husk. Eris' ghost was also taken. She was truly alone. Crying and screaming to the dark for her allies. And out came Toland. He bequeathed her much of his knowledge. He wanted ir yut's song. And so he endeavored out for it. Before he left, he gave eris his emerald light [u][b]"They will believe you are one of their own. And that is all that is the only way"[/b][/u] Toland did find ir yut. And he attempted to use her song. It ... did not work as planned. He died. Physically. He now saunters in the hive world, still informing those who listen, leaving us calcified fragments, and etc Eris was now trapped in the abyss for what felt like an eternity to her. No one even tried to find her. By vanguard order, no one was allowed to go to the moon. Until our guardian went there. [u][b]"We've woken the hive!!!"[/b][/u] And by those words, she was released from her prison. When she returned to the city, the speaker, and zavala wished to exile her for her... condition. But ikora did not allow it. She now assists us, in order to gain her revenge on those who took everything away from her. This is the legend of Eris morn[/quote] This post on another thread by kc2122 is actually a great answer to my question as well

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    • Modificato da Zelrons: 6/29/2016 3:42:11 AM
      Eris and her team killed Crota the first time. Well what was left of her team at that point. When he died the Hive nabbed his soul and put it on a 1 XB flash drive which kind of defeating the point of killing him. So they chased them down and everyone got killed along the way, except Eris who hide under a rock like the coward Hunter she is.

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    • There is a story mission called the awakening in which you kill crota mid transport to the moon and cast him back togis throne world. Crotas end is when you enter said throne world and kill crota

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    • *reply for linked reply later*

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    • What you need is..... [spoiler]Wolf Pack Rounds[/spoiler]

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      • You know how in the sword of crota mission the cryptarch says "now crota sleeps, but the sword does not" what happened was crota -blam!-ing DESTROYED us on the moon and then probably knew we were coming for him so he backed into his throne world. Then eris and her fire team got r3kt and he decided to hang in his throne world while his army slowly took earth, he probably would of come back to destroy the city and then move on to the next system trying to get back to oryx. Then we started killing his generals and he went OH SHIT and tried to come back into the phisical world to screw us up. If he would have done this we would have faced crota at a significantly higher power level as he still had a couple generals left (namely Omnigul, his will). We banished him again and then killed omnigul and went into his throne world to officially defeat him. However he was basically a shell at this point because he didn't have his eyes, heart, will, his sword who all would have been there to protect him and to tithe to him. Him not having his sword was probably a bigger deal than we realize because the grimore talks about the sword and says it would just slice through light like butter. Anyway in his throne world all that was left was... His presence. Get it? Anyway, some of that is educated geuss but I belive it to be 95% accurate. Hope I she'd some light on the subject

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      • I've seen better plot lines while browsing Brazzers, than what this game has to offer. If the Rise of Iron baddie is a pizza guy, I'm done. And by done I mean pants off.

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        • It's true that oryx called crota back after the fight, but crota had actually been severely hurt during the fighting and HAD to retreat. Although the initial battle to retake the moon was won by guardians, they were to weak and broken to push into the moon after the hive retreated. That's why it's counted as a loss.

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          • Modificato da Joy Boy: 6/25/2016 7:59:11 PM
            This is from the Grimoire Card: Oryx Rebuked: [i]JIn World the stars never shone, The worm never bred in our flesh, We lived for a day Our teeth were too short We were hungry for things we could not eat Hello again. It’s me. I’m sure you know my name. Let me talk a while, let me talk, I do take a debased joy in speaking again to small human-form heads.[/i] [b][i][u]When Crota’s victory over our little blue world seemed certain (a moment of silence, now, for Wei Ning, whose directness I admired) it was Oryx who called His Child back into the nether world to plan final victory. It was to Oryx that the violence of His spawn was tithed.[/u][/i][/b] In other words, Crota was on his way to earth, when Oryx called him back to his throne world Oryx saved us all... Oryx is a.....hero?/heroin? XD

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            • What you need is..... [spoiler]Wolf Pack Rounds[/spoiler]

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            • Oryx had him return to his throne world in order to regroup and prepare for an assault on the earth

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              • Eric's went and found Crota in the pit with her fireteam. They never entered his throne world. The killed him in our dimension on the moon. But while escaping, the hive trapped them and saved Crota's soul. Eric's was the only one to survive and lived amung the hive for a long period of time. She learned many of the hive rituals and finally escaped. She came to the tower and helped the guardians prepare to kill Crota. The guardians then went into the Helmouth and destroyed what remained of Crota's soul. In the Raid, the Guardians go down into the pit and have to traverse the abyss (I suspect this is where Eris fought Crota but nothing even hints at this). Once the door in the abyss is open, the guardians enter a portal which sends them to the Oversoul Throne. This is Crota's throne world. You make you're way to the Oversoul and kill Crota. In TTK, we return to the Oversoul Throne to retrieve a portion of Crota's soul (now dead) to become ascendant. Crota is dead in this mission. His dead soul is in a casket and they are having a funeral. Eris says they are preparing him for the next realm. This is saying that they are having a death ceremony and are preparing Crota for the Hive afterlife. As for Oryx, we go to the dread aught and fight him in our world. As the same as all hive, he is much weaker in our world. We are able to defeat him, but he escapes to his throne world. During the King's Fall raid, we start in the Court of Oryx and enter the portal as ascendants. When the guardians enter the portal, they are sent to Oryx's throne world. Before I continue, only Kings and Knights of high rank are given throne worlds. Oryx is the King and Crota is the Knight of high rank. The Warpriest, Golgoroth, and the Daughters are not high enough rank to have a throne world. They are able to travers the throne world because they are ascendant and if killed in either the real world, or another throne world, will die infinitely because they do not have their soul stored in a throne world. Deathsingers are different because they are granted eternal life by the worms. They will be reborn infinitely. This can be seen in the TTK mission in Crota's throne world. Ir Yut can be seen at the funeral along with the Daughters and other Deathsingers. Back to the raid. Once in the portal, they are in Oryx's realm. They defeat the defenders of the king's realm and finally reach the King. The daughters defend the King as a last ditch effort to kill the guardians with song before Oryx will fight them. The same can be seen with Crota except their is no defenders except Ir Yut. Crota is only a prince and only had a deathsinger appointed. The guardians then kill the Daughters and then kill Oryx in his own realm. In his empowered state, he attempts to take the guardians one by one but fails and realizes that the guardians are not living and cannot be taken (Guardians are dead but are resurrected by the ghosts. They are still dead, but possessed by the light). In a last ditch effort, he realizes he must destroy the guardians instead of take them, so he tries to wipe them out with his clap (similar to Oversoul), but is defeated during his attempt. Instead of shattering like Oryx, he is crystallized by his Worm (since he is the highest rank, the worm is trying to preserve its darkness). Oryx and Crota are dead forever since we killed them in their throne worlds. There are no other known hive that have a throne world so we don't have to worry much. This is all I got. Some of this is speculation, but the throne logic and the Deathsingers is correct.

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                • Want to make it even more maddening? How did Guardians enter Throne/Sword worlds back then without being Ascendant? How did Oryx resurrect his sisters after giving them "true deaths"? Why is the Black Heart some random thing in the Black Garden, and with all its supreme evil power, use three Gate Keepers as its final form...? I can go on. When you lose your lead writer and have to create a digital baseball card series from the scraps of his ideas, things get messy. It's hard to debate a lot of Destiny's story and its inner workings because almost everything got flipped on its head and glued together. I would pay good money to see the supercut of Destiny's original story - that's two hours of story and cinematics - I don't care how linear and esoteric they claimed it was.

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                  • Modificato da MIKE-B_CHILLIN: 6/24/2016 2:37:18 AM
                    Minato Uzamaki beat Crota using the Flying Rajin level 7 Rasengan technique. Knowing he couldn't kill him, he sacrificed himself using the reaper death seal jutsu, and locked him in a crystal on the moon. From what I heard the flying Rajin was a super OP throwing dagger attack. Unfortunately, that amazing power has been nerfed by the powers that be throughout its time to become the pitiful excuse of a melee we see today which is a throwing knife.

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                    • ...your team's swordbearer?

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                    • I haven't really read the Grimoire in depth as others, but I believe Crota's physical form was already vanquished prior to the Hive invading the moon. The only reason he was still among us in the Physical Realm were because of his minions: Heart, Fist, Will, Eyes, etc. Those minions would eventually try and bring him back to our Physical Realm, this time to take Earth, and through the use of black magic they also tried to restore his physical body. However, that's when we jump in, kill his lieutenants, and journey to his Dream Realm to end any chance of him returning. Does that sound right?

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                      • Modificato da ZenithLord 42: 6/24/2016 2:18:22 PM
                        You get two different theories when reading the grimoire and playing the game. Theory #1: Eris' fireteam went to the moon to end Crota, after he took the moon. Months of planning lead them to locating Crota's physical body, devoid of his soul, which was in the Ascendant Realm. They destroy his body and one by one are hunted down until only Eris is left and she escapes to the tower hoping to end Crota for good. Theory #2: Eris' fireteam goes to the moon to end Crota, after he took the moon. Months of planning has lead them to locating where Crota is. They go to kill him and discover that in fact he has for some reason returned to the Ascendant Realm and that he has transcended physical form due to his Oversoul and now has become powerful enough to exist through proxies, such as Omnigul, Sardok, etc... This explains why the guardians couldn't stop him from taking the moon, he was basically an invincible supernatural warrior. Eris' fireteam is ambushed, but manages to learn that Crota can be destroyed by killing his lieutenants and that Crota will die for good if they kill him in his throne-world. Eris' fireteam is killed one by one and only Eris escapes back to the tower with the knowledge to end him for good... I think the knight that we see in the trailer is Sardok, the Fist of Crota, and I'm going to go with theory #2. The reason being that Crota was called back into the Ascendant Realm by Oryx to plan the final destruction of the light; preventing Crota from being killed unless someone entered his throne-world directly. The wizards/witches, whatever used the crystal as a means of focusing Crota's soul into the physical world, just like how you summon him in the raid. Everything was going so well, until some guardians destroyed that focusing crystal, delaying his plans. He would has gotten away with it too, if it hadn't of been for you meddling kids and your dog, um... Guardians and ghosts, yeah, that's right, you meddling guardians!

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                        • Master Chief. He Killed Crota, then went for a nap in a pod on the Cosmodrome

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                        • And all this time I thought The Dark Below and Crotas End were innuendos

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                        • Modificato da TrolleyProblem: 6/24/2016 11:35:13 PM
                          All hive hive gods have their own throne world. However, a hive God cannot be killed without killing them in their throne world. If you attempt to kill them simply outside of it, they will merely be resummoned. In the dark below, our guardians take action by killing many of Crota's first in command and finally his soul in our dimension. However, he did not entirely die. He was being resummoned in his throne world. Which is why we kill him in the raid. That is his throne world, and thus we killed him for good. Same for oryx in his raid. Had we not went through the court portal and entered his throne world and killed him, he would have just been resummoned and continue his onslaught of destruction. As for who forced him back? Oryx. For some reason, he orders to impede his conquest and ... chill really. Toland tells us so from beyond in the hive over world. That is how we survived. Crota sated the need of destruction for his sword logic momentarily and thus, he got to relax

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                        • I read somewhere that it was oryx that call him back to his throne world

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                        • Modificato da AfghaniClownPcrn: 6/24/2016 11:23:48 PM
                          He needed to become ressurected into the next dimension so he would live on [spoiler]Mmmhmm, Bungie just decided for this mission to be logical that they needed to throw in some freaky deeky Warcraft wizard witchcraft shit in there [/spoiler] Yeah, shit be wack

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                        • The answer is 3.14

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                          • A fireteam composed by Eris Morn, Eriana-3, Lomar, Toland and two more people I don't remember.

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                            • Eris's fireteam destroyed Crota's physical body but where then promptly rekted by his minions.

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