Before you ignorant sweaties and whiners go on a rampage, read this, be enlighted to know what the recieving end of your bullshit bullet has to say.
For those who don't know (I will be surprised if there are any)
Trials of Osiris is a competitive gamemode where 3 people of the same fireteam are pinned up against another team of 3 where a team must win 5 rounds of killing every enemy teammate, and revives are there too. The level REQUIREMENT (idk if its reccomended and 280s can come in cause honestly those people arent my issue) is 290 but it would be better to be higher as level advantages are enabled (or so I thought).
So now that I have explained that, you can tell that there are so many exploits for this damn mode, and im sick of it.
The idea behind Trials was to have another gamemode (aside from iron butt buddys) that people could earn amazing loot [u]LIKE[/u] the raid loot. The word earn though is not even being used today in the game though. From ice breakers to sherpas to Requirements to find a group (honestly all I see on lfg sites are people that only want pvp gods like wtf man get a life) and all of that stuff I mentioned are not earning it. Using an ice breaker is WRONG because it puts you at an unfair advantage with special ammo, which they removed it from starting spawn FOR A REASON. Sherpas are also WRONG as your not earning it, your having someone do it for you, sometimes even paying MONEY to do it (come on bungie, if your going to let this happen just make a damn microtransaction option for lighthouse loot cause honestly your not doing anything). The lfg sites, are a great way to find people to play with and have new experiences, but when people just ask for the same people over and over again, well it just gets pointless to the sense that I can't find a group cause im not meeting a standard that I didn't think (or rather want) to exist. My next point is the guns and rewards offered by comparing some guns to their counter parts.
Raid bounties vs trials bounties
One exists and one doesnt, I hope you know which one is which
Raid auto rifle: ok but has a suros fire rate
Trials auto rifle: god tier and has a fast af fire rate
Already are you starting to see an issue? No? Alright lets move on.
Raid hand cannon: crap
Trials hand cannon: ehhh, crap to me
Alright that was a gimme, give me another chance.
Raid pulse rifle: god tier and only pulse rifle that can have firefly, and with cocoon, it is insane
Trials pulse rifle: its ok... I guess, maybe I got a bad role, but it just doesn't live up to its raid counterpart...oh wait a minute...
Now do you see my point? No? Then your blind
Seriously though if you havent found out, its because none of the guns (excluding handcannon cause rip all hand cannons) have anything alike, and thats BAD.
The whole reason trials was made was to give players who are more pvp-centric rather than pve-centric a chance to get loot LIKE the raid gear. But as you can clearly see, none of the guns offered in both of these activities are similar in any way, shape, or form...quite literally. Im sure some PvP centric people are like "dayum that raid pulse rifle is sick, I suck at pve though so I gotta stick with what I got" and PvE people are like "dayum that trials auto rifle is crazy, too bad I can't win enough games for my life to even bother, guess I gotta stick with I got". For all you people who can do both...good for you mate. But im sure a majority of this community are not as amazing on one side as they are on the other side. The guns should be at least 80% similar so that way, if you can't do one side so well, you shouldn't be missing out on much. What I would support is if bungie created 2 guns for each type for both activities. Like 2 raid autos, each with a different archetype for a different purpose. I fall in to the category of lucky when it counts...sometimes. I did get the trials auto rifle after countless tries when it was the 7th win reward with a group. It felt satisfying but I felt that I was still missing out on stuff like the lighthouse (which I haven't gone to btw, and probably never will) and it truly hurts cause im missing out on something amazing because the people who have been there countless times give me shit on how I can't join them cause my k/d or ELO is low, or that I can't win a round cause they keep using cheesy, lazy routes that ultimately put people like me in a shit situation. And that, no matter how you put it, is BAD. I get bungie is trying here, but it isn't changing anything, and it sucks. They need to track down this kind of stuff and fix things like this so that people can't use it and spread it to the point of no return. If your one of those people that do these cheezy routes to get something thatvyou don't deserve, your an asshole. You can argue all you want but the fact of the matter is your technically cheating by means of completely ignoring the rules and taking an alternative to give you a win. Your not earning it, so don't go around saying that either.
AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON HACKERS, MODDERS, AND BOOTERS
I hope I got my point across, and I hope some people actually read this entire thing as I put a lot of effort into making this post (I mean look at it, it's too damn long, but I needed it to hit all my points). I hope you enjoyed my long rant, and found it useful or inspiring. For all the people who disagree, please feel free to respond as I am completely open to your side, and it is respectful to hear the opposing sides argument as well. I will be reading all comments and replying to them as fast as I can (seeing as there is ample reason to respond).
Thats all from me, I hope you enjoyed. And as deej says;
Jim out
God why do I feel no one is going to read this and just comment on the title.
EDIT: Thanks for the comments guys! I really appreciate that many people are also willing to voice their own opinion. Although some of them are nonsense, it tells me that my voice is being heard, and im happy for that!
EDIT 2: I will try, but I can not guarantee that I can get to every reply, they are stacking up a little so I'm going to try as hard as I can to get to them, though im not going to guarantee it.
EDIT 3: for those TL;DR people:
Trials is in need of serious changes. The matchmaking is screwed up, the idea of light-level advantages are almost no advantage between a 297 and a 318. The rewards compared to the raid are really screwed up as half of each of the weapons offered are pretty much unusable. Sherpas are ruining the experience too as they are just getting another reason to make others who are trying to go flawless's life miserable (my hatred for sherpas also apply to raid as well).
Didn't get enough info? Wasn't worded correctly? Then read it if you desire more info or better worded info. I highly recommend reading everything if you want to get my actual opinion on the issue.
These are just replies I had to give recognition to as it would be a really smart idea to integrate into the game
Credit to Robotsaysrawr:
[quote]They should lock all Trials matches into Trials weapons. Upon entering a match your weapon inventory is replaced with all the Trials weapons without perks. You can only choose from and use those weapons. Then no one can run NLB, Universal, Invective, or Icebreaker to get around the special ammo change. Everyone is also then on more equal terms and skill should be the deciding factor like it currently should be.[/quote]
Credit to Synge1080:
[quote]They should just lock in your weapons, armor, and subclasses so nobody can change their starting set-up after the match starts. You trying to get ammo with your sidearm? Nope, that's what you have to use. Generate ammo with icebreaker or invective? Well I hope you like those guns cuz now you've got to use them the whole match.[/quote]
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I just want rotating maps for one weekend. I also miss cauldron.
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7 RisposteModificato da Janus-073: 3/10/2016 12:16:40 AMMy suggestion to fix trials and weed out the cheaters as well is that after make it to the lighthouse on all three characters to lock a player's account out of Trials for the remainder of that weekend. This will quickly remove repeat flawless runs that are focused simply on denying the lighthouse to other players.
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1 RispondiSo you would like to enjoy games where everyone uses doctrine thats diversity man 10/10 would pick doctrine
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I understand the frustration but there was is 1 reason that puts a hole in the entire thing: If the guns were 80% similar then there is no point. There will always be people that are good at Pvp and crap at pve and vice versa. Since those types of people will always exist, AND by making the raids and trials rewards very similar, you give no reason for that type of player to play the other side. Thus losing variety. The reason they are different in the first place is so that there is more variety. "What incentive do I have to go flawless when I can just do the raid?" Stuff like that
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I just wish I could buy passage coins with legendary marks.
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1 RispondiBad idea! I wanna be able to switch guns whenever I want too..
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What we need are "blocks" that switch out every month. Each block contains its own list of usable weapons - if a weapon isn't on the list, you cannot use it in ToO. They would be four blocks, so each one will show up three times a year. After a set (four blocks), Bungie gives out a weapon patch, so each set feels different then the last. Weapons will go in and out per-expansion, so new weapons can have a chance to shine. If you don't like the block this month, either wait next month or suck up and play it.
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Make a Tl;DR because no one is going to read that crap
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3 RisposteYeah, trials is hard as shit, but I'll take the punishment for the bounty rewards
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That wall of text is intimidating.
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2 RisposteHey OP, u mind if I use ur post for my la essay, it is long enough
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Remove special crates and give each person one magazine of special ammo per round (no regen). Also, link light level damage falloff to individual weapons instead of overall light level. That is, 20% less damage per 10 light under the target. This essential would make icebreaker useless. This also adds more consideration to revive sniping as now ammo management becomes a factor.
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Modificato da xX_SLOGAN_Xx: 3/10/2016 8:16:03 PMThey made trials gear easily accessible to pve players by implementing bounties I'm not seeing the problem here. No one ever said that trials was like the raid for pvp. There just both endgame content that gives players more opportunities to get end game loot. And your logic for making trials weapons the same as raid weapons is weak, why would they make the archetypes the same it would demote diversity. Also, anyone can get the doctrine archetype from a gunsmith package. So I'm not seeing your point here.
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Take out heavy and it'd be good
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1 RispondiI think they should change it from Yellow to Green.
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3 RisposteStopped reading when you complained about LFG requirements. Sorry I'm not gonna waste my time trying to win with terrible people. You don't see sports teams looking for just anybody when they need to fill positions. It's competitive so they look for the best they can get.
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Modificato da Obi Ron Zenobi: 3/10/2016 4:27:32 PMmy avg pvp stats aside... y1 lighthouse meant more. awesome weapons, exotic emblem, no sweaties. I've been once with the sole intent for a void scholar - got solar, still in my vault cuz it's awesome. haven't been back since. y2 has bounties, which is all you need. unless you're searching for grimoire card. also, i find playing for fun is better and more rewarding than playing for wins my two cents
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Make it inferno.
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3 RisposteModificato da ConnorCT10: 3/10/2016 11:39:02 AMWell I have everything from lighthouse, if a friend wants flawless I just log onto his/her account and get them there. They log back on and open chest themselves Do u hate me? Would love to see the look on people's faces when they check my friends kds and they get their ass kicked by a god mode negative ;)
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1 RispondiModificato da marksamuel17: 3/10/2016 12:06:03 PMYou don't even have 500 trials kills and a trials kd of .50 and .60 you don't have a right to complain about trials
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3 RisposteStopped reading at Ice Breaker. Y1 weapons are in the game. They also lower your light level significantly while equipped. Xur sells legacy engrams so even Y2 players can acquire them. #quiturbitchin
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4 RisposteTrials needs to give higher light gear. As a player who doesn't like pve content as much, I can't get above 312.
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1 RispondiThen wat the -blam!- is the point of no land beyond? I read ur whole post and it barely made sense apart from the specific guns to b used I trials so good idea there but it does suck that nlb would b a gunner that's not a way to get around special u need to b good with it because it's barely used the ice breaker is annoying and so is the sidearm but it's part of the game so u gota deal with it
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1 RispondiGet good? Maybe
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If you locked out other weapons or whatever the quotes were, the better players would still win. Hint- It's not that they used icebreaker that they won in majority of games. Sorry u had to hear this but gotta practice and learn how to "git gud" and stop blaming other stuff.