the red bars i see always "lag" right as my team is about to score and then they kill the carrier lol

Maps do suck Red bars *should* be going away today at 10am PST igniting the rift and getting 3 kills doing it is nearly 2k of points scores can jump You sound salty cause you either: a. aren't very good or b. have no people to play with I had an awesome time last night playing with my friends and winning 80% of our matches, its a team based mode, you cannot just go backpack a team like in clash.

There seems to be quite a lot of people upset and i can understand why. To those who think you should have to join a team, git gud and should try playing the objective perhaps have too much time to play computer games and don't consider the other aspects of why people enjoy playing THIS particular computer game. Regardless of whether or not iron banner is seen as end game PvP by the more ardent crucible vet, it's an event that comes around for some who can just shoot stuff and get some decent gear. It's for those who want to play PvP, don't like trials or the sweatiness and try (not very well) to not take it seriously. Those who haven't gone flawless should quite enjoy pitting their wits in a team based death match to hone their skills, and inevitably, get wrecked or get better. It's an option they can choose to partake in, grab some bounties and then continue on in their pve based activities. If you whinge about getting wrecked in trials, you're a scrub. The problem is those individuals are bored of doing oryx on hard mode every tuesday, the nightfall drops absolute dog shit (although the crucible nightfall tier can spring some pleasant surprises) and running heroic strikes dropping three of coins is tedious. Then there's the gunsmith, Banshee gives them new guns to do what? Do that same shit mentioned above only with a different load out (until the sisters/oryx). There's like literally nothing to do except play crucible for any enjoyment in the game. Shit, they might even get a well rolled PC+1/Eyasluna/Ash Factory after like 70 hours, but as more people play, it's made crucible on a whole a lot more sweaty in the process regardless of SBMM. Now, there's been nothing new in pve. Sparrow racing was boring, let's not pretend after doing each of the two tracks five times it was gash. (I spent some money on a couple of sparrows, so i did a few more). Now Iron banner returns; Last two iron banners, you could just come on and play, shoot shit, sometimes capture the zone, simple shit. Rift has sent the pve mob and casual don into a tizzy fit and with good reason. Most times, when you come home from work/school/whatever, you may have to concentrate (on something other then a computer screen playing games), engage randoms for 8, 10, 12 hours.... you don't want to be forced to feel like you have to actively spend time searching for people in forums, lfg etc. to actually enjoy a game you've invested a lot of time and effort in for whatever reasons, which usually equate to, fun, having a good time. This game mode has basically pissed some off and people cannot articulate their grievances without it sounding like a scrub whinge, but I actually get it. I've lost 5 on the bounce, i just wanted to jump into the new event that isn't the same old shit and have a good time. If you're not in a fire team, you're going to have a bad time. You might be good solo, but you'll have to hope the other 5 are half decent or you know the lanes to the dunk (Most people ha played like 10 games of rift before today). If you don't, you're getting wrecked. Perseverance might help, but when it's not fun it doesn't last for long. However, people don't need to be so negative about it. Just don't play it... It's O.K... And people don't need to have a pop at those who don't like it. Be the bigger person, let them vent and enjoy playing it alone or with a fire team. Or perhaps invite them to your team, you know, reach out like a community. The game is now solely and mainly for those who revel in competitive PVP, (Even though there's no private matchmaking, custom game modes, lobby chat etc.) but even the most respectable PVP don has thrown a tizzy about lag, weapon balance etc. Now it's the PvE enthusiast/casual who are whinging about things and they aren't seen as important or, more importantly, doesn't really concern them. It's created quite the toxic forums. The next event after this one is another pvp one only this time it's a sausage frenzy three team two's up... This is only the crust of a shit sandwich. It's going to be hard for bungie to swallow because they've neglected a core player base at the expense of another (some feel) and that has led to everything announced being met with venom Anyway, I'll do a bit more beta testing for them but that Division looks pretty good in the mean time..... Cheer up guardians, it'll be something else in a week.

Awful IB. You either get stomped/stomp the other team. That's the only way it ends up. Imbalanced and frustrating.

Here's an idea, how about all Iron Banners from now on are Sparrow races. Rift don't seem so bad now huh?

lol it was a terrible idea. Control is terrible as well. Any 6v6 is terrible actually. It's just a laggy cluster -blam!- for pointless bad rewards.