Let's get one thing straight kiddos. Theism=/= Deism So when you kiddos makes deistic arguments to support theism you look like a total [b]kiddo.[/b] This is a disclaimer because I know the Jesus freaks love making the "first cause" argument as it it's evidence of theism and of Christianity which is such a kiddo mentality. Right so. How can something come from nothing? 20 apples is something right? But 0 apples is nothing right? So... How do you get 20=0 Well.... 10 apples + (-10) apples = 0 Yeah. Think about it. The universe adds up to nothing. When matter is formed, there is an equal amount of conversational matter created and an equal amount of anti matter created. When they combined they're turned into pure energy. https://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/beamline/26/1/26-1-sather.pdf All of chemistry is basically just the affects of two opposite and equal charges. In fact, it's almost as if the entire universe is nothing split up into two equal and opposite components. So. Energy is something right? Is there something to zero out energy? In fact, there is such a thing as negative energy and it's strongly suspected that the total energy energy in the universe equal zeros. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_energy Long story story short kiddos. The model of the universe equaling zero requirers no complex all knowing creator. Also, how do you explain the origins of this God????! Sorry kiddos, but maybe you should grow up and stop believing in fairy tales. Enjoy being brainwashed!!! Check it out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe