Nerf it to medium RoF/ medium impact scout rifle archetype impact to lower the kill time and increase stability to make it more accurate. I'm here to tell you that there is no way to balance out TLW'S kill time with nerf's to accuracy and range without making it complete garbage you already tried that bungie, I think it's time to try something else. Make hip fire viable for 2-3 shotting people and I'm pretty sure that will be the end of it.
Edit: This is going to be the 1st and last time I respond to the comments below as I can see someone set the Trolls free.
So basically majority of the community is saying that TLW a primary weapon with the ability to take out shotguns and out gun side arms at close range with the ability to shoot at medium range is balanced, right. I think what's really happening is that most people adore TLW because of its op status, and strive to get it if they don't have it already. So they don't want it to be nerfed which is understandable considering that bungie has a bad habit of overdoing nerfs. But denying that something is blatantly overpowered and telling everyone to get gud by using the same gun or another weapon of its caliber is simply selfish and ignorant. I really don't gaf how much money you spent on the game because I did too and so did everyone else. I have the gun I could use it too but it's getting cliche to start a game of rumble and see half of everyone using the same gun. But whatever, I'm just going to let the player base dwindle because it's not affecting me I play pve & pvp I can just switch primarily to pve for now. But what about everyone that primarily plays pvp? Just -blam them right?
Ps. I main warlock.
Pps. Increasing the kill time by adding a bullet won't hurt the gun, it will force people to use the gun the way it was meant to be used, stop being lazy and hip-fire.
And BTW how is telling someone to counter a weapon with the so-and-so or watchamacallit balanced? It's strategic yes, but boring so basically instead of using a played out gun I have a choice to switch between two other guns that I don't like to counter it? Way to sell the game by making players choose weapons they're uncomfortable with.
OK earlier I posted that the above edit was going to be my 1st and last but, I fed the Trolls like an idiot. But this is going to be my last edit, I'm not going to judge anyone here anymore because it does nothing for me. I'm just going to ask the community-why do you think everyone loves The Last Word so much? besides the way it looks and the gun-flip animation. I mean really think about it, what does the gun do so well that you like in the crucible? To put it simply, the gun owns. In most situations that is what the gun does and it does it well my complaint is not the range or accuracy on the gun, it is the fact that the gun's kill time is so ridiculously high and that people accept and defend that fact. No matter how much the range sucks any primary with the exceptions of the NLB and UR should not outgun a special weapon,is overpowered and should not exist point-blank-period not opinion-fact. ~Drops the mic~
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1 RispondiIf you nerf the impact you should increase fire rate and magazine capacity
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Nerf its RoF i say. Its too fast
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Modificato da xWGSPRINCESSx: 1/14/2016 3:27:10 PMAfter being a huge last word user in year one I can notice the massive difference when using the gun now. I honestly don't think anything about it needs to be changed except maybe the hit registration... it can only outgun shotguns from a close range if you hip fire. When 2.0 first dropped and they last word was nerfed it couldn't out gun shotguns, even though they nerfed shotguns at the time they were still the most OP weapon to use, now that they've been nerfed again we can out gun them. I'll admit I hate what they've done to the last word since year one, it doesn't need to be nerfed again. It's actually on a level playing field with most weapons in the game now... agreeing ballistics makes your ttk faster but you also lose so much stability and rage. I use soft ballistics, makes the gun have a slower ttk but it's easier to handle and has a little bit more range. I don't know why people keep saying it's OP. Is it not enough that they've taken to double 111 away and made it so you can't cross map kids with it anymore ? I also feel like we can't say any weapon is "OP" because they're all pretty balanced at the moment. There might be a few that need to be changed a little. If you've been playing destiny since day one with the original hawkmoon and last word you'd know what OP was, especially the last word it could out gun a pulse riffle from across the map, you can't do that anymore. Maybe if the person is looking the other way but you have to fire very very slow and the damage is lower... there's been a massive change in the weapons. I'm happy with the way crucible is now. It gives people a chance to use any gun they're comfortable with and still do really good.
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Modificato da CooPehLooP: 1/14/2016 7:02:00 AMI think its rate of fire should be slower if aimed down sights. To first curse fire rate. Rewards those that use it as intended. Basically focus fire without the damage buff. Leave everything else about the weapon the same.
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Your'e going to need a new mic..
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3 RisposteSo you want it nerfed to take more than half its magazine to kill? Lol It's a 4 body shot while aiming if you are in range, 5 if not. It's a 4 body shot hipfire now, used to be 3. It's a 3 shot if you hit two headshots while aiming and you have to be in range. It's a 3 shot from the hip if you hit one headshot. They added skill to the gun with the nerf. You're just bad.
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Nope its perfect.
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Cry cry cry I think it's fine. I don't get killed by it a lot at all
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http://youtu.be/hYFemYsuAJQ proof it doesn't need a nerf at all
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1 RispondiI have it, used it for the jolly Holliday quest! I don't want it nerfed!!
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It's fine the way it is its balanced it was designed for pvp
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Just shut up.
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[quote]I don't like this gun or any of the other good guns so this gun shouldn't be good because I don't like it. I think it's overpowered even though I admit that there are at least two guns that can counter it. Obviously when something is able to be countered in a number of ways by another thing which, by my own admission, is equally good; it is overpowered. But I don't like any of those guns either and my play style is more important than everyone else's. I shouldn't have to learn how to play a game and come up with effective strategies. The developers should make a game where I'm automatically the best and everything should be nerfed or buffed to fit my play style. I'm really salty about this so I'm just going to call the community toxic because they don't agree that the game should be solely patched in my favor. Screw you guys, I'm going home! - OP [/quote]
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9 RisposteThey should lower it's bodyshot damage. Keep the 100+ critical damage. You shouldn't be able to spam all bodyshots and still kill faster than most guns in prime conditions (example doctrine of passing, kills in 0.98 seconds with [b][i]all headshots [/i][/b] last word does the same with all bodyshots
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Nah, at moat you could lower it's hipfire accuracy at this point.
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[quote]to lower the kill time[/quote] Why the f*ck would we want that?
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1 RispondiNo. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SHUT THE -blam!- UP ABOUT NERFS You whiny bad kids keep taking everything away because you suck and die to something a lot. TLW is not OP, it's so -blam!-ing inconsistent. Bullets don't register for shit with that gun. Nerf retards from posting on the forums, please Bungie!
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This kids is a perfect example of a -blam!-ing retard. :)
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Or buff all other primaries so they can compete. And stop trying to nerf everything.
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It has an 8 round mag but you want it to do the same damage as a scout rifle, which normally hold 16+? Yeesh.
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5 RisposteWell said, but the problem lies with the fact that the gun also has to constantly reload. Eight shots is pitiful, and if you extend the time to kill, you also need to extend the mag. Every other gun can get at least two kills per mag.
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I love how right after the patch people said TLW sucked, and was "the worst gun in the game now". Kek.
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4 RisposteModificato da Pr3sTiGe X: 1/13/2016 2:01:30 AMOR, wait for it....get gud. Also... Stfu Realistically though, just stay out of its engagement zone. Same way to counter shotguns.
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1 RispondiThough TLW is a fast TTK it is not always a consistent shooter. TLW is in a very niche spot. Close range, in your face. Fits its contract.
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Everyone loves it because it deals with scrubby shot gunners without having to equip a side arm.
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Don't put your head infront of that gun or any other gun, if doesn't work, then go play tetris.