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Modificato da Mtashed:
12/30/2015 10:22:56 PM
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Revives Need to be Nerfed - Discussion with Datto
I recognize dealing with revives is essential to success in trials. However, with fast revive gear, it can be oppressively strong to spam revives during a match.
Revive mechanics currently rewards sloppy play. Shields are strong, immunity frames are silly, and getting revived should be a risky last ditch effort.
Dying early should be punished...Instead, teams are forced to get up close with shotguns to stop a revive, or use sniper ammo after it has already happened.
Essentially, primaries are useless during revives, and causes a situation where you either stop the revive before it happens, or have to wait until it is over with before you can react to it.
This lack of counter play needs to be fixed IMO...but I'd love to hear what you think
Ps: Datto hasn't whined or even called for the nerf. I think they are the issue and believe they aren't being done properly. Don't be calling him out when he is more on your side than I am.
Edit: Shocked at how many people aren't even watching the video and trying to discuss this. It is as if nobody is even listening to the arguments and understanding why... I'm not asking to nerf them into the ground, just stop rewarding people for dying.
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6 RisposteThis will only benefit the try hard pvp players and ur average player will have a harder time going flawless. So no thet don't need a nerf. Oh and stop being so sensetive mtashed
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1 RispondiModificato da GrayWo1f3 xim4: 12/30/2015 1:06:21 AM[quote]Really disappointing in the slander of Datto as well. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. [u] I'm never posting here again because of how toxic and immature a lot of you are.[/u][/quote] Really? This community has always been toxic... you need to just ignore/ mute those people. You can't honestly say you've never experienced this before- this is just how people are around here. Be the bigger man and ignore the toxic people and just talk to the mature ones contributing to the conversation... But to walk away and say you're never posting here again seems a little immature and childish xD not having a dig at you, just saying -blam!- the trash around here, stick around for the decent blokes.
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2 Risposte[quote]Revives Need to be Nerfed[/quote] God is dead.
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6 RisposteModificato da k0nk1n: 12/30/2015 10:05:38 AMI like the last part where you said you are never posting again... saves me from having to completely bash what you are saying... If you don't like revives... play clash? control? ... ect... trials is about team work... both teams get revives... revives are what make me a good player.... I am almost tops in the world in total revives.... sniper rifles are op... fix them then we will talk about revives... the second a sniper rifle can't take out a fresh revive... then get back at me... I realize that you have a hard time using a sniper rifle from two feet away when someone is trying to rez and your primary can't take two people down that have shileds... my question is where is your team...? and why are you trying to use a sniper when you are that close? Maybe quit carrying people through trials that can't even watch a freaking orb... Other than that stop complaining about a game that you make money on... quit exploiting kids with thier mothers credit cards....do you even pay taxes? Trust me... bungie is going to nerf revives... they are not stupid and they don't need your input..mtashed you should be kissing bungie ass right now... they have turned you from a game playing pot smoking no body into someone that retards follow and laugh at... Basically yea don't cry nerf on something If you don't like the backlash ... people are going to disagree with you ... you are not a politician ... don't become a cry baby... first it is revives... then what? You get super from getting kills... I have zero problems going flawless so I know you dont... so why complain? Are you not having fun anymore? Datto does destiny all wrong... he likes to exploit and think he is more special than he is... I like streamers that act like everyone else and are on the level like the rest of us... you need to watch what you say and how you say it because you have a following sort of like a politician but you aren't as smart... or as well advised. .. Bungie nerfed revives once... they will circle back around and hit it again... don't worry... they will hit snipers first though... they are not dumb....
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[quote]You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. I'm never posting here again because of how toxic and immature a lot of you are.[/quote] Must be new here.
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1 RispondiMtashed im sorry this community is so toxic. You and datto don't deserve this, stick to YouTube and twitch because ppl here are stupid assholes
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1 RispondiYou put the words 'nerf' and 'Datto' together in your title. How did you think the community would react?
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8 RisposteI'll preface this by saying I like your videos, and Datto's. I appreciate some of the insights and tips in them, and they're really well done. That being said... Dude. You are one of the PvP gods of this game. Threads like this are kind of like hearing some rich asshole at a country club bitch about what brand of caviar is offered. Not saying you're an asshole, btw. But really? C'mon bro. They could give most teams twice the revive benefits they currently do and you'd still waste them. I think that's the source of a lot of the vitriol. When the best players come here and complain about something that's insignificant to the majority of us and in fact would only really make it easier for the top tier to continue dominating, well, shit like this happens. And for the record, I watched the entire video and read the entire thread, comments plus replies. If you think these people were too toxic, you really do need to stay off these forums. They took it easy compared to normal. I get it, you're Destiny royalty, but just because everybody doesn't suck you off doesn't mean they're being toxic. You came here, posted about a nerf that would only benefit top tier players, then when public opinion didn't sway your way, you announce you're taking your ball and going home. Damn. Hate to say it, but maybe some of these people talking shit have a point.
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It's Datto I don't need to watch it.
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It doesn't really matter how fast you can revive most of the time. I mean yeah it can get you out of a sticky situation from time to time if you can avoid the enemy team. But for the most part the better team is going to come out on to revive or not.
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Post this on Reddit. Almost everyone here is a crybaby neckbeard.
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3 RisposteHate to break it to ya but not a lot of people give a shit about what streamers think. Myself included. I get you're part of the fan club or whatever but honestly I hate when people treat these webcam bros like they are the -blam!-ing pope of Destiny. Basically the definition of a vocal minority.
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39 RisposteThis is something I've been thinking a bit on myself lately after running Trials the past few weeks. I'd like to see several changes, though likely difficult to implement. Being continually downed has diminishing returns on your count down timer for the next revive. Be downed twice and you're waiting something around 10 seconds before a teammate can assist. I'd like the base time before a revive can be implemented to be several seconds longer. I think on first down, you have to wait 3 seconds? Make it 5. And then count up from that period. If you're wearing an exotic with "Quick Revive" I'd prefer it to no longer increase the speed of the revive, but rather knock the teammate down a tier on the revive scale. If it is their first down, instead of the new base of 5 seconds before it can be implemented, now you can revive after 3 seconds have passed. It eliminates the running revive trains quite well, but still provides the exotic with a niche while promoting (hopefully) more diversity in exotic gear within Trials. Beyond that, I'd love the animation for revives to retain the shielding, but increase the time before the individual can ready their weapon while allowing them to move. I am not a fan of the snipe reviving aspect of the game and feel that if a revive gets off, the user should have a little movement option available to potentially move away from the sniper looking at them. Mind you, it should be possible to still snipe the user, but they should be given a slight edge. Though, and I haven't tested it, but if snipers are really the only weapon able to counter revives at the high impact, then perhaps it should only be able to drop them to 1hp before they can ready their weapons. Just my quick thoughts. And note, I am not an employee, merely a community volunteer moderator.
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Op has no chill
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Maybe a potential fix would be to spawn the person who just got revived on the other side of the map? Either way I agree they could make it a little better. The frames of immunity is awful and it does indeed incourage terrible play. I personally get discouraged a little when my team mate goes for the revive instead of going for the kill.
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Make 2 or 3 revives then your unrevivable
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Modificato da PhreshBrotha: 12/30/2015 5:03:01 PMI don't see it as rewarding someone who got killed. Rather, I see it as rewarding someone who risked their neck to revive their fellow man (or woman). Yes, revives and self-rez can make the game a little more difficult, but let's not act like there aren't counters for revives. I've been rez-sniped a shit ton of times in trials and will probably continue to be. Let's be real, the revive animation is ridiculous. My guardian shouldn't have to sit there, checking himself out before I'm able to control him. Best thing to do is guard those orbs, you'd be surprised of how great of a trap they make. If anything should be changed in trials it's heavy weapons. The heavy round should not be a thing in Trials. I know a lot of people's bread n' butter for trials is the trusty rocket launcher but the heavy round is annoying af.
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Datto smells of cabbage, pass it on.
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3 RisposteFirst time posting to the forums... My opinion: The fast Rez - no problem. The ability to Rez - no problem. The over-shield after a Rez - that's a problem. I like the argument Mtashed is making. He isn't quarreling with all of the things he mentions. He is simply building his case. Most of the people who disagree with him aren't building a successful counter argument. They are doing one-liners and attacking his or datto's character. If you're counter argument is ... stop whining - you totally don't understand how to discuss a topic. Back to topic: An overshield isn't necessary. I don't need an overshield for incentive to revive my peeps. If your team kills one of my people - good job. Now I have to find a way to keep the lurches off my teammates orb so I can revive. I don't even have a problem with the invincibility frames. But when overshield comes into play, I can revive then use that overshield to team shot whoever was watching the orb. That's pretty absurd if you ask me. Please leave the one-liners and character attacks at home, let's discuss this so that bungie develops a sense of where the community stands on this issue.
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I think you should change the title of the thread, to many whiners are pouring in...
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I completely agree that revives need to be punished, not rewarded. You know it is bad whenever it becomes part of people's strategy.
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Or maybe you shouldn't let the other team get the revive?
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1 RispondiHeavy needs to go as well in trials. Heavy is not competitive.
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5 RisposteModificato da CaptainW1nky: 12/30/2015 3:57:55 PMDatto can Datto deez nuts. Who cares what a streamer thinks anyway?
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Modificato da sean cope: 12/30/2015 3:55:37 PM
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1 RispondiPeople don't like logic on these forums. Everyone is toxic. It's probably a good thing to not post here anymore because nothing would get accomplished lol
