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Modificato da Savage: 12/16/2015 3:26:58 AM
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What pay to win really is

Since the new arrivals to the store, the usual two groups have emerged. Group A: the whiners that look for anything to call Bungie out on and don't understand what pay to win is Group B: the level headed group that understands what pay to win actually is and understands how little of an impact this actually has. Pay to win is not getting to level 25 faster than me because you paid 30 dollars to do so. Level 25 doesn't have any advantage and I will reach that level in ten hours of gameplay. There is nothing about it that lets you "win" over me especially for the current player base. Examples of what pay to win really is: - buying an exclusive subclass - buying an exclusive exotic weapon or armor - buying a boost that significantly (like way greater than 3of coins) increases exotic drop rate and is usable all the time - buying something that would be required to play content such as the raid - buying things that would give you a significant advantage over every other player in the crucible Now that you have real examples of what pay to win is, maybe you can make a better decision next time before coming and bitching on he forums about things you claim to be, but are not, pay to win. Edit: Good [b]f[/b]ucking God I did not expect this to catch this much attention. I hope you all realize I won't be reading these comments lol. But thanks for giving me my first trending post! I will add some follow up points below. 1.) it is a slippery slope, I agree with that much, but it is in no way pay to win, no matter which tiniest little scenario you come up with in which it shows a glimpse of that nature, this has no effect on "winning" considering we were all given the spark of light for free when we bought ttk 2.) people are saying I'm the kind of person that would defend them even if they sold 320 gear. No..no I would not be. Selling end game gear, although it is something earn-able, is not something I would be okay with. What this current boost does is get you caught up quickly if you really want to blow 30 dollars, not allow you to spend money on something to get endgame gear while others have to grind for it. Not okay with that in the slightest. 3.) if Bungie ever sells anything available only through purchase with real world money that gives a significant advantage, like if they had sold the touch of malice or a thorn 2.0, that was not obtainable in game, I would be standing right alongside the rest of you rioting and protesting. Or if they sold any exotic gear for that matter. 4.) to recap, pay to win is not this. Pay to win is being able to buy something significantly advantageous that is completely unobtainable in game. But I would still not be okay with them selling anything of real importance in game. But xp boosters? The least of my worries. [b]Edit[/b]: I notice a number of you mentioning the "cosmetic only" promise. Technically, they still haven't broken it because eververse is what they were referring to. These items are sold through the console store :p (I'm just being a troll lol, but I do get what you're saying)
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  • I skimmed this topic because I hate having to read walls of text after completing a 30 page paper for my computer mapping class. Here's what I think: Paying to reach level 25 and to get all your subclasses maxed out is not pay to win. Making a 340 level Ghorn that fires nukes and only making it available in Eververse, not that's pay to win

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    • I'm trying to picture getting to 25 instantly and no glimmer, no marks along the way, no engrams/armor/weapon drops, no faction/vanguard/crucible rep On a new account that seems like a disadvantage - if you were deleting one and starting a new one then I guess it would be helpful

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    • This...can't believe this had to be explained orz..

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    • Modificato da ThaPerna: 12/16/2015 5:34:15 PM
      TL;DR [quote]I'm a Desticle[/quote] I definitely agree with you buddy. You are one big Desticle.

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      • Play clash of clans if you want to directly experience pay to win

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        • I'm pretty sure that people are freaking out about pay to win now more than ever because of the video Machinima made.

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        • Good write up.. Now lets petition to get blue skull useable in game. It should be useable at least.

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        • Too much logic for me to handle.

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        • I think most people are upset at the precedent, not at the fact that someone can spend $30 on leveling a character to 25. Just like people were upset when Silver was first introduced, they're getting more and more upset each time we get closer to true "pay-to-win" status. Will we get there? Who knows. But it's certainly looking more and more likely, so I think there's valid cause for concern.

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        • [quote]buying something that would be required to play content[/quote] Uh, you just pointed out that every expansion released thus far is pay to win. Thank you for that.

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        • [spoiler]pay to whine[/spoiler] people know about the game, buy it then bitch about it, like wtf dont buy it if your going to whine about it all day every day...

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        • It should be "pay to catch up" a level 25 isnt gonna be winning anything lol plus that price man! holy tits! £30 or whatever it is? F U C K THATTTTTT!!!!

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        • Level headed? [spoiler]Narrow minded sucker[/spoiler]

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        • [quote]Step 1 - Introduce extra fee, say its only cosmetic Step 2 - Introduce another, make it non-madatory extra fun, but special somehow Step 3 - Introduce another, make it useful few select players, but not needed Step 4 - Make the 4th as useful as a boost that gives you an advantage. Not too much of an advantage. Step 5 - The 5th opens up it all. We make it paying for the Exotics you don't have. Step 6 - Make a few Exotics "bonuses" with a fee attached. [i]By this time, it'll be too late to leave. They would have invested so much by then. =)[/i] [spoiler]We are at step 3. It's happened too many times with good games. Bungie: DONT LET IT BE THIS ONE!!!! We can still stop[/spoiler][/quote]

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        • Is that you "Intelligence"? OMG? Haven't seen you here in a while. Man - thanks for stopping by. Always better when you are around.

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          • The person who paid 30, just got ten hours of their life back that they otherwise would have to grind, a grind that bungie has in the game for just this reason, to get people to save time by paying money.... This is indefensible.

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          • 1. It is not about these boost packs being Pay to win or me being "jealous (lol). There is nothing to be jealous about in buying a boost pack for $44 or $30...it is just a scum. 2. PS store, bungie.net store, in-game story, you call it. It doesn't matter where you buy microtransactions (or even macro...) because all the money goes to BungieVi$ion and they wanted to sell cosmetic items only. These boost packs and telemetries are not cosmetic items. This is just the beginning. 3. It affects all players, especially veterans who will not see any big content releases next year because microtransactions are easy to make and sell, there is almost no content and they earn a ton of money on it. Destiny is lacking content and they offer us, people who paid a lot of money for their game a bit more content for a lot more money...Is this truly what you want to have in Destiny? Is it? Why will they even bother spending their time and money on creating a real content with not recycled things?

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          • Buying exp = paying to win Exp = Non-cosmetic Enjoy your slippery slope. They'll be selling all kinds of shit by the end of 2016.

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            • I know what pay to win is. If they sold the spark for 30$ for new players to Jump in and go, I'd be like "well that's way too expensive but whatever" it's the fact that they sell subclass boosters. From my understanding these max out a subclass. That's not ok, because that is actually giving them the advantage. If it's only a booster item, like the exotics that boost 25% then I'm ok with that. It honestly barely makes a difference.

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            • I will quit when they have a sellable armor set

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            • It's called incrementalism & it depends on people defending each step.

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            • It's not the fact that it's pay to win that people are mad about. It that bungie straight up lied to us. Remember? Money spent won't affect gameplay, they said. Well guess what this booster is doing? Affecting gameplay. It might not give people a huge advantage, or even one at all, but it shows that bungie is willing to go back on its word and lie directly to its player base. So go on. Defend every action they make. But don't come crying when actual pay to win things are implemented.

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              • ummm what about people like me who are are rich as -blam!- and going to abuse the shit out of this....i'm just going to keep making new characters boosting them to 25 and doing challenge mode until i get all the loot, before it was impossible coz of the grind...but now bam!!! 25 equip gear and I'm ready and i can level my sub class faster as well thanks to the sub class boost hahahahahah!!!!!!!! u poor penniless idiots!!!!!! i will rule this game!!!

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                • This guy understands it!

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                  • I really don't think its pay to win but i think its so so wrong. Lots of ftp games like warfame have these micros and arent pay to win either but they are honest about what kind of game they made. Why pay 140 dollars just to be nickled and dimed by a company that knows people want every little bit of content. Its just a blatant money grab imo and its disgusting.

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                  • You know people on this forum overreact to the smallest of things. I guess they forgot that destiny just opened something called "refer a friend" and im pretty sure the people new to the game dont want to do the ultimate grind from the beginning, so what does bungie do? The reveal a level boost to level 25 that you have the option to buy

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