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Modificato da Puma: 10/22/2015 10:16:04 PM
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Killing Oryx unrealistic?

So after reading all the known parts of the book of sorrows, I find it nearly impossible to believe that anything short of a god or the traveler itself would ever be able to even stand a chance against Oryx. I don't see how it could ever be possible for a group of 6 guardians to defeat the monstrous, ancient, world eating god that Oryx is portrayed as in the book of sorrows. Sorry, but I'm just not buying it. Anyone else feel the same way? Edit #1: i get that his tithe was cut off and he was weakebed, buteven if we were strong enough to challenge him in a weak state why didn't he just sing the doxology and call upon the deep before we had the chance to touch him? The developers created a character that in my opinion was too strong to realistically kill. Edit #2: everyone is talking about sword logic but I'm fairly certain that sword logic only applies to the hive. Other races don't have "worms" to feed, and sword logic revolves around the concept of feeding your worm so I don't see how it could apply to any non-hive beings. Edit #3: thanks for all the people telling me that its a video game and nothing is realistic, I wasn't aware. You have been a tremendous help to me and crucial contribution to this post. Edit #4: I'm aware that a vex was able to emulate sword logic and use it for himself, although I don't think its a stretch to assume that he actually just became stronger through his own means rather than sword logic because the vex mind can change and transform itself with relatively no limitations. And I don't see any evidence that guardians can actually use sword logic. I don't think I was any stronger fighting Oryx than I was earlier in the raid...
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  • Modificato da RMSi_10nm: 10/22/2015 8:10:13 AM
    Oryx survives by the tithe of light from the strata of Hive below him. We break that chain. We kill the Priest that gathers the Tithe. We kill the perfect shape of victory (Golgoroth). We kill his daughters and leave him with only the Light he already has to eat. That light has been gathered by Ogres who are sent against us. We kill them, and leave Oryx unable to satisfy his hunger. Oryx attempts to use his worm to warp reality by using Doxology (A hymn of praise) to worship the worm - but we disrupt that death song. Oryx summons the bombs in order to kill us himself but we escape by running away. Oryx uses his Taken power to call a Shade to kill us, but we defeat the shade. The more power that Oryx uses to feed, the more power his worm demands. All we do is keep on disrupting that feeding - by freeing the light he wants to eat. It's not US that kill Oryx, it's his WORM that consumes him from the inside when he fails to keep up his deal to satisfy the hunger of the worm. EDIT: In response to the OP's edit - Oryx is trying not to kill us personally. We are seriously powerful, as proven by defeating his Warpriest, his children & his perfect shape. Killing us with his worm powers would require a massive feed for his worm. We may be a prize big enough to provide that feed, but he is greedy and confident. If he can set up his Taken to kill us (non worm powered as he TOOK that power) then he can take a bigger personal chunk of our light and only tithe a tiny amount to his worm. The more of his worm power he uses to kill us, the less our deaths will satisfy his worm. It's good old fashioned greed that makes him vulnerable. EDIT 2: In response to the OP's edit - Read verse 4.9 of the Books of Sorrow; Quria, Blade Transform deduced the sword logic and made it work, and it was a Vex. So clearly sword logic does apply to beings other than the Hive and is not intrinsically linked with feeding a symbiotic worm. If that is true, then it follows that by right of slaughter WE have established ourselves as a power in the throne world.

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    • There's one thing that negates your theory. We are hive, or we are technically still guardians but we are ascendant. This means that we have access to sword logic. Although we are not the hive itself, we have stolen its power.

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    • you read but dint comprehend and im not trying to be mean just telling you the facts I would explain why but it seems so many others have, we dont kill oryx the worms that power oryx kills him we just set in motion the process that causes it.

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    • Well yeah. Been destroying entire worlds for billions of years? Shut down by six jackasses doing The Carlton.

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      • We killed everything that made Oryx so strong, he was weakened to the point of Crota's strength. If Oryx had time to heal, then yes it would be impossible to kill. Think of something more realistic, like a bear. With 0 damage a bear is very hard to kill, almost impossible by a group of 6 people, but if you weaken it through traps and things like that even a single person could kill it.

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        • I just killed that f*cker in hard mode he got to be dead.

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        • It's a god damn fictional video game, for the love of Christ

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        • I totally agree, considering how trumped up him and his army was I find it unrealistic that we'd have killed him SO EASILY. A 'god' comes to avenge his son and we just waltz in there and kill him within all a week? Unlikely. However, consider this expansion was haphazardly slapped together after the zone was cut from the vanilla destiny. I am disappointed by bungie's inability to properly scale the story to the game that we actually play.

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        • If I were him, just drop about 10 taken centurions and a few captains, all majors of course. Each with their own respective taken goblin and it's a win

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        • It's a game there's nothing realistic about it.

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        • We are an army of future zombies, evolved zombies, and robo-zombies wielding space magic, [b][i]UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAH[/i][/b], and flaming death to destroy the Flood, the Covenant, and the Daleks, all while worshiping a giant slumbering piñata in the sky. I'm pretty sure realism is nowhere on our plates...or in the restaurant...or on our metaphorical planet.

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        • Anything inside their ascendant world uses sword logic. And it even says in the grimoire that we practice sword logic whilst fighting our way to oryx

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        • I mean... There's not much in destiny that's realistic lol

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        • That's what happens when you cut the story out and replace it with little cards at the last minute. Big gaping plot holes due to poor writing.

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        • That was exactly the same thing I said. There is no way to kill the Oryx that is portrayed in the books of sorrow,at least by guardians. I really don't buy it. In fact,it's just too unrealistic and absurd,even by destiny standards.

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          • What is the worm

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            • My guess is that we didn't actually kill him, but rather it was a form of him. I think he will come back in destiny 2

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            • Guardians are OP nerf incoming

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            • We did defeat the heart of the black garden, and hive prince, both of which were gods. So, we have that going for us.

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              • Two things... There is a wonderful post discussing a comparison between oryx and his worm and guardians and our ghost. I think it might shed some light on your question. It goes into detail about how we do in fact get stronger as we battle. It every points out that the next time you face oryx and the raid you are stronger/better than the time before. Secondly, I believe that oryx intended to loose to us so that he could become the weapon that we get for killing him "touch of malice" and in that way become truly immortal.

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              • My biggest question with the raid is that if we guardians are beings of light then why does the light kill us when we detonate the orbs? Shouldnt the light not harm us. Perhaps we are beings of darkness

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                • Well, I'm gonna go off of other people speculation here, no facts just let's say they were. So let's say a good amount of the player base is right, and the worms are actually ahmkara. That they gave the three siblings the power they have. Okay well the warlocks already hunted down the ahmkara and basically wiped them out, so wouldn't be too far a stretch. Now let's say those speculations aren't true. The hive fought a specific race, called the ecumenes (or something like that) and almost lost themselves. The traveler was not once mentioned in this battle. So we dont know id they really had the Light in their side to help fight Oryx and his sisters. We also know that the hive have defeated the traveler numerous times before, but the traveler would always retreat. But what about now? The traveler stayed to protect us. Or, maybe did it use us, knowing we could save it from eternal pursuit? So, in conclusion, we have this. The traveler stayed with us where he retreated for others. We don't know if he gifted other races the Light. The hive almost got defeated by a race when all three of the royal siblings were there. We only faced one. Yes the dreadnaught blocked some of the light, yet we were still able to wield it. So while I agree with what you say and have been saying it since the raid dropped, I can see where they left some holes where we might have been able to defeat him where others havent.

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                  • Theres nothing unrealistic about killing a big evil dragon from another dimension

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                  • We are cunning. We have Internet cables.

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                  • I just accept the fact that we, the guardians, are just bad asses. I remember everyone saying how we didn't kill Crota, but then Taken King reveals that Crota was super dead by our hands. If we can slay one god, then guardians can probably slay a whole galaxy of other powerful, vile creatures of the dark.

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                  • He actually kills himself, we push him in the right direction.

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