[b]EDIT #4[/b] [i]In less than 24 hours this board, where there's a lot of people expressing fear their voices wouldn't be heard in different and often times colorful ways, has garnered [b]642 comments[/b] the last time I checked just a few moments ago. It is the fastest growing post on Bungie.net that's not authored by Bungie itself. Furthermore, it has had [b]more activity in less than 24 hours than some official posts made by Bungie itself have gotten even though they've been up several months.[/i][/b]
OUR VOICE IS BEING HEARD I PROMISE YOU THAT FELLOW GUARDIANS.
KEEP IT GOING. BUMP IT. TWEET IT. LINK TO IT IN YOUR CLAN FORUMS.
ROCK THE VOICE!
[b]EDIT #3[/b] Everyone who is deriding this post should go on the record saying how they would have handled it.
[b]I again ask you the question:[/b]
If you were in that conference room and two plans were laid out [b]how would you have voted?[/b]
[b]Plan A: Simply offer more compelling choices[/b]. If some goofball wants to use a year 5 level Doctor Nope (much at his own detriment in finding a willing raid or trials party), why shouldn't he be able to do so? This plan will invariably lead to much more diverse builds and gun usage.
[b]Plan B: We can't trust them.[/b] Even if we offer more compelling choices, they may be too dumb to realize it and keep using that [b]damned Found Verdict we designed 4 years ago[/b]. Let's just effectively take all the old guns from them, or even better: We'll let them keep 'Em but [b]they'll be useless outside of patrol.[/b] Every time they open the vault, they'll have that bittersweet reminder of [b]HOW WE MADE THE DECISION FOR THEM[/b]
[b]EDIT #2[/b] [i][b]Will you go on the record saying of the two archetypical solutions to gear stagnation:..[/b][/i]
1. Simply offer more compelling choices. (You'll have better guns you use much more than your old favorite hand cannon, but you could still use Fatebringer if you wanted to. [b][i]You make the decision for yourself).[/i][/b]
2. Draconian Gunicide. (Fatebringer is dead, and you'll never be able to use it with any degree of efficiency in any meaningful endgame content. [b][i]Bungie makes the decision FOR YOU)[/i][/b]
[b][i]That you actually prefer for the decision to be made for you? [/i][/b]
[b]EDIT #1 [/b]
[i]I didn't say I would no longer play the game. I will cancel my preorder in protest but in all likelihood I will ultimately buy The Taken King prior to launch[/i].
[i]I made this post as a protest because I believe this is a mistake. When the House of Wolves came out, Bungie said they would never invalidate the work Guardians did the way[b] they invalidated the work of Vault of Glass raiders when the Dark Below came out and suddenly there was better gear for sale in the tower[/b]. Back then, the official line was that they learned from that and [b]acknowledged it was a mistake to invalidate our work and disrespect our time[/b] and efforts.
[b]How is it that just 4 months later it's no longer a mistake?[/b]
I feel like this is [b]doubling down on a weapon Gunicide policy that DIDN'T WORK THE FIRST TIME[/b] and required the creation of Etheric light to fix the mess it made.
How is it that an even [b]more egregious even more wholesale Gunicide is now en vogue once again?[/b][/i]
[b][u]ORIGINAL POST[/u][/b]
I've been a huge Bungie and Destiny fan boy since day one. I've spent hours enjoying the game, the lore and exploring the mysteries. If you look at my past posts you'll see I've been very active in the community and have tried to pass along any mysteries I uncover.
However, all of these charges purported to be in the Taken King have just gone too far.
[b]If you feel like I do, that making 90% of our arsenal obsolete is a mistake...[/b]
[b]THEN...[/b]
Please leave your declaration of protest re: [b]the decision to make our existing arsenal obsolete, devaluing the in-game rewards of our year one experience and disrespecting the time we spent as one of the Year One Guardians who were amongst the first pilgrims in the world of Destiny.[/b]
Stand up for your guardian. Stand up for all the work you did. [b]Stand up for your GALLY.[/b] Stand up for your Fang of Ir Yut. [b]Stand up for your Fatebringer.[/b]
[b][i]WE, THE FOLLOWING GUARDIANS DECLARE OUR PROTEST[/i][/b] of the decision to render our existing arsenal obsolete; the decision to devalue the in-game rewards of our year one experience and the decision to disrespect the time we spent as one of the Year One Guardians who were amongst the first pilgrims in the world of Destiny:
Signed,
Superman Corps and the following Guardians who make it clear they sign as well...
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Modificato da The Loathsome Dung Eater: 8/21/2015 9:57:19 PMBump. I don't want he decision made for me. Who was it that decides which exotics carry over and which don't. And what is the reason behind it? I feel it's because no one uses their new exotics. They have sucked for the most part since vanilla. Now instead of us making the choice, they force us to use what they want us to. I don't like it. IMO, either all exotics come to year two or none do. Don't choose for us.
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Fuk fb and gally either move on or die with them
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Modificato da Glimmer: 8/21/2015 9:52:55 PM
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/148373740/0/0
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3 RisposteI don't mind grinding for new gear. They're right, using the same stuff for 10 years is boring. But I want that old gear to be worth more than just a Mote of Light, because obviously I'm going to break them all down since they'll be useless. Trade them in for Legendary Marks or something? I'd take that. And what to do with the exotic shards that I have now plus year 1 ones I'll be breaking down?
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If you find 90% of items being rendered useless by an expansion\update surprising, then I have another surprise for you.. it's going to continue to happen with destiny 2 and possibly in major updates too. Unfortunately it's a common thing with gear grinding games. For one it keeps people from going straight to end game content and forces you to play through the rest of the content in the game to get new gear. The fact they are even keeping any items relevant is nice and gives us some familiar ground to fall back on. It is a gut wrenching feeling to replace hard earned lendendary\exotic gear with the most basic gear of a new expansion. But it is part of the grind and honestly I find it fun to find new overpowered weapons instead of focusing on the past ones. I'll miss my vision of confluence though.
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1 RispondiThe title sounds like it's from one of those stupid celebrity magazines.
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12 RisposteTired of posts like these. Yes there not ascending legendaries to TTK values, but obsolete is the wrong word. They will still do just fine in all normal crucible game modes. Aside from that they are adding more guns into the game with this expansion then the original game and the two dlcs combined, if you can't find a new gun that's totally your problem.
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Agree, wtf is the point of Xur even showing up after these announcements ? Wow another Mask of their man that will be useless only days after I was able to lvl it. Older gear should have the ability to be level to the same level as ttk. Why should they dictate how i play the game and "become legend". A silly idea to take all yr1 players out back and give them the bird for a year of grind and say heres an emblem we still think youre special.
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Im not scraping my jellyhorns. Just like my shadow price and devil you know, i aint scraping them cause those are legendary weapons
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1 RispondiIt will be ok... The new raid guns and rewards will probably be a lot better anyway...
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I didn't read through the whole post but honestly I'm super happy. I wish they left everything behind. Let us have new things to play with. Make actual weapon balance by leaving the unbalanced behind. Give me something to look out for and get bored of a while later. So we can leave them behind andvget new gear again. Thank god they're embracing their rpg side. I never hear cod players complain and they have to redo everything with the yearly dlc. Personally I'm one of the people tired of using the fatebringer gally combo in pve and barely seeing anything different than thorn and the 3 sniper shotties in pvp. I started using ARs again in pvp to do something different to have something fresh in the game. Hell i even deleted my hunter to start over to get over how stellar both the pve and pvp meta has become. This change couldn't have come any sooner and i was pretty bummed to see things like reforging and ascending made their way into the game. They broke more than they fixed. They made HoW considerably less exciting to me and many others.
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It's awesome. New stuff! They can leave it all behind for all I care. New stuff! Who wants to use the same weapons and armor for another year? New stuff!
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Modificato da Cooldusk3: 8/21/2015 9:16:02 PMTime to wait for metal gear solid 5 lmao
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BUngie doesnt care about year one players. this game is brand new on old maps and activities. All older raids have no point to be played. Who is gonna play POE any more?
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Modificato da Benzene21: 8/21/2015 8:44:17 PMThey are leaving the fan favorites behind, and people say bungie listens. lol
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Signed.
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8 RisposteUr medication is'nt working friend, go back and see ur doctor.
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8 RisposteI agree. You spend countless hours and finally find that gun you've been looking for...only to have it nerfed and then made obsolete. I just wish I knew which direction to go with the future. Tell me how you want me to play and stop changing it.
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Out of all the exotics to bring over the ones you have to earn from raids will be left behind.
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Double bump
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Yup, I'd prefer I had multiple choices rather than being pushed into a "choice". I know we can use our guns still, but I'm not happy about them not being able to be leveled up. Why not make infuse an option on all legendaries/exotics, including Y1, instead of just new ones...it makes the whole thing seem even more arbitrary. Also..I don't see why we're not getting a year 2 version of any of the HOW exotics, mythoclast, or Necrochasm
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Be more than 90%
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I stopped grinding/playing 2months ago when I realized it would all be for nothing. Why was I in a rush to beat skolas? Lvl 34 bah! I just came back as we are in the home stretch of ttk . Hoping for the best but not holding my breath.