Thing is, the "crybabies" or "bad players" are not solely responsible for this. It's the overall amount of players that depended on these highly advantageous weapons more than any other, as well as Bungie's poor decision making and incompetence, that are also at fault. If Thorn wasn't OP, then there wouldn't have been such a huge spike in usage over the past few months. The weapon changes were needed, however, for the most part, they went the wrong way about them. The change they're proposing for Thorn is a slight step in the right direction, as it doesn't necessarily reduce it's overall effectiveness greatly. The other changes on the other hand could definitely use some work. If anything, the whole process with how they designed these weapons in the first place is incredibly faulty. If you don't want to make something too powerful, especially in a game of this caliber, the best way to do that is to give all the strongest weapons some sort of drawback, to keep the power gap from widening too far like its current state. Like Thorn's previously slow reload speed and low magazine size, the weapons would still be powerful, but wouldn't be incredibly advantageous like their current incarnation. For Black Hammer, if they plan to change the White Nail's perk like they are, then they should change the Mulligan perk to compensate. Change it to Shoot-to-Loot, or an entirely new perk that works like a combination of Shoot-to-Loot and Surplus. If they plan to increase Ice Breaker's recharge time, then to compensate, it should have a perk similar to Glass Half Full. For Gjallarhorn, rather than reducing its overall damage output, even if it's only slightly, perhaps reduce its reload speed and rate of fire, or blast radius instead. If they're gonna be powerful, then they should be made more difficult to handle.

[quote]Thorn isn't OP.[/quote] Hahahahahahahaha [quote]In fact none of this is. I have friends complain about the blade dancer super and I'm terrible with it. I get way more kills with guns than any of my supers. And if blink is nerfed it's going to ruin it in pve. Figure out how to fight back. If your gun isn't killing you're not doing it right. I changed guns constantly because I like trying them all out and playing differently. Hell I get kills with auto rifles still and come out positive. And Dreg's Promise is fun to use and kills just fine in pve and pvp. [/quote] Translation: me me me me me me me this is what I do me me me me The narrow mindedness is too real with you OP. The games population is more than just you. The data gathered tells the true story. Your bull shit opinion is irrelevant.

All I read was "Wah wah wah... I need a diaper change" Adapt and adjust, if you're good the gun shouldn't matter. If you need a crutch, better throw that shit down, because Preacher Bungie is gonna exorcise your firearm demons!!

Because Blink Striking with a One Hit Kill Shotgun with high range isn't straight bullshit. I would rather be killed by thorn than those -blam!-ing scrub lords. Blink is trash, and blink users are trash to me. I don't need a nerf though, I am happy knowing those kids are scrubs and always will be scrubs.

Sweet, sweet, GLORIOUS balance....

[quote]Thorn isn't OP[/quote] Prove it.

I remember when people said the same thing about the last patch and apart from the AR nerf that no one asked for, everything else was okay. With this new patch, even more weapons will be viable at their intended ranges each playing to the strengths they were designed for, I see no reason why people are moaning because, for example, something like the BlackHammer never stated you'd get infinite ammo for landing shots, it says it'll refill the mag, which it still will. Gjallarhorn needs a nerf, way to easy to kill anything with including the bosses. It eliminates the challenge and should rightly be nerfed to allow other exotics to be viable, yes there are others believe it or not. Thorn, not arguing it any longer, it's OP, top players and scrubs alike agree, the majority started using it seeing how effective it was, so they agree by default. The Last Word needs to be in its proper place, can't wait for them to sort it, yet another gun that people rely on for easy kills that dominates any other weapon up close. It's all good In my eyes and I think their taking the right steps

People crying about blinking are obviously titans

Quit whining, you can't say people suck if u can't spell it right