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Modificato da BDress:
7/23/2015 3:11:34 PM
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Thank you Bungie.
What is everyone's problem with 2.0?
Thorn should not have had the range of a sniper and close to no damage drop off. Neither should it have had such high rate of fire and DPS.
The Last Word had one of the worst range stats in the game? How is it that it could out shoot a scout rifle? It was meant to be a close quarter quick kill weapon.
Ice Breaker's nerf sucks but it will push people to play VoG Oracles the way it should be done. And also encourage more forward motion in strikes rather than everyone sit back and snipe until the enemies are dead.
Everyone loves Black Hammer. It's the go to weapon for stationary bosses and tanks. But honestly...in a solar Sepkis nightfall, that walker tank goes down in about 20 seconds with Black Hammer. That fight isn't supposed to be so incredibly easy. Black Hammer's legendary White Nail perk is more of that as an exotic. It still can do the same damage and everything, you'll just lose some ammo...big whoop?
Finally, aren't you all happy that you will be able to you Auto Rifles again? Such a long time since I could gain the upper hand in a gunfight with an Auto. Especially ones such as Hard Light and the Nechrocasm (which also has a new buff that will super encourage use IMO). No problem there.
As for hand cannons go, they needed more drop off damage because they were killing machines at longer range than scouts, which messed with overall weapon balancing.
Of course, everyone is upset because there go to rocket launcher is now not causing AS much damage. Guys...Gjhallahorn made PvE endgame content and normal gameplay to easy. Players weren't allowing others to join unless they had a maxed Gally to easy there way through a strike or Raid. It's not balanced. It's a great gun! I use it often! But it puts the other launchers on a different level, and that isn't what Bungie wants.
Can you not see that all of the adjustments are going to make the game better? New weapons will be used, new strategies applied, and more of a challenge to the game itself.
Thank you for the 2.0 Weapon Tuning Bungie. I can't wait to try out my Nechrocasm in the Crucible more, and see other Guardians with there favorite guns and the wide variety of weapons that were meant to be seen in this game.
Feel free to comment with your own changes or ideas as to why this update should not take place or is actually a bad idea!
Edit: Wow over 200 replies. I've seen very many people that agree and also many people who want the tuning to stop. Keep replying with your thoughts and wishes!
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1 RispondiGFYK Go fly your kite.
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4 RisposteI would have turned black hammer into an exotic. G-Horn I would have left alone because its a random drop I know people who took 10 months to get one. Thorn will still kill in 3 shots no problems there. I would have just made private custom lobbys apart from standard crucible to address all the pvp cry baby's. Like bf4
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4 RisposteI understand your point of view, but please hear me out. I'm partecipating in Clan Wars (with my awesome clan Fallen Angels of Darkness!!!) and this week the task is Dragon Strikes. So basically grind LVL 28 strike over and over again. How many do we have? In Xbox 1 we only have 7. You can basically approach those strikes in many ways, and use the play style that you like and any gun you like...up until you reach the boss. The mechanic of those bosses is pretty much the same: a Big Bullet sponge, with the occasional spawn of ads when they reach certain stages. Beside the ads killing the fight remains the same for its entire duration. All the bosses have a potential one hit kill melee. you can get up close and personal with them sometimes, but it is really not a very viable option. You can stay mid range, but why? They have infinite attacks with a splash damage with the radius of a Radegast rocket, which can damage you even behind cover. Long range you are safe, you can dispatch the boss with scouts, sniper and rockets while dealing with small group of ads. Plus most bosses get stun lock with sniper critical. Can we work on changing the dynamics of this instead on focusing on nerfing the weapons used for the current strategies in place? The nerf will not balance things, it will only have people use different snipers or rockets (until the OP of the new meta is found) or use the same nerf ones, but the dynamic will stay the same. Not because we want it, but because it is the way they made it. There are different and also fun ways to approach those fight, but they can be unreliable, require multiple tries, and when you have done it once, you just won't have fun doing it again and again and again. And again, and again. Because you know...is the same content, over and over and over again.
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6 RisposteOk so since it made the only guns that were good shitty Now we have balance so you can spend 8 hours fighting threw each activity And auto rifles are still gonna suck esp hard light and necro Now that they nurffed the ghorn guess what lol now no one who doesn't have it will ever get in a group on a lfg site. That's right it will make the burn so slow that no one will carry anyone anymore. Lol sucks for you cry baby's And as how to getting people to stop cheesing with snipers....... Just delete them from the game because that's what players are gonna do to black hammer now and ice breaker if it gets nurffed any more Ohh these are just to get me to grind the way bungie wants me to grind ok Next time I fight a tank or walker I'll only use melee Next time I fight a bullet sponge boss I'll stand right out in the open and use there stupid scout rifle they keep shoving down our throats Ohh it will only take me 5 years to kill omnigual but hey I'll be changing my tactics infact they should get ride of all cover In the game to. Ever boss encounter should have an invisible wall keeping you inside the bosses OP melee AOE Then we would spend the 8 hrs a day gaming that bungie really wants Hahaha this game has become complete garbage
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2 RisposteI think you're just hoping that 2.0 will help you with your poor PvP output... but, it won't.
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3 RisposteModificato da Lazyzombie2000: 7/22/2015 12:29:19 AMI agree with most of the adjustments but the ice breaker, gally, and black hammer should have been left alone. I'm fine with a problem being fixed. If players are abusing a perk or if it has unintended effects fine fix it. But with these 3 weapons I see adjustments that don't fix the stated problem at all. Ice breaker - I hate to tell you this bungie but if I can tolerate 5 sec to regain 1 shot, 8 sec isn't going to kill me. If I'm hiding behind a corner and I've got a IB, empty mag at target, switch to primary. Ya see, regain timer means nothing. If I'm camping in a corner sniping all targets and boss. Empty mag, go back to playing on phone until refill. Again timer means nothing. Fix the problem if Ya want but this is a fail. Gally - it's your fault for creating a God weapon. Also your fault that nothing comes close to its stats. Now you can fix it by nerfing it and I would have agreed, about 8 months ago. Now at the end you fix it? Too late! Damage done. You should have seen this coming and fixed it a long time ago. As far as nerfing it because people require it to play. Again your nerf will not change that in fact it might make it worse. People that didn't need still won't and those that required it will now demand it. So, fail. Black hammer - ah just deleted my rant as I just got the weapon and don't understand it at all. Just my opinion which I'm sure doesn't matter much.
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1 Rispondiopisafag.
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6 RisposteSo, were supposed to do the same strike 100+ times, but not be happy when there is a burn to our advantage that makes it go faster?
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1 RispondiScrew bungie not buying anymore dlc if they keep nerfing weapons, we leveled the guns we use because of the perks and stats that they have. And exotics should be op. If you went to the trouble to get thorn you should be able to enjoy it. And nerfing the ghorn is not going to force me to play with someone thay does not have it lol. If we cut off the money they will listen.
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1 RispondiBump happy as hell
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1 RispondiGood Post
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9 RisposteGjallarhorn doesn't make anything too easy. You are sacrificing right to use an exotic in your primary or secondary. I do not need to explain The repercussions of performance such act
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4 RisposteIce breaker nerf won't change anything at the oracles.
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Funny thing is a lot of these things are adjustments more than they are buffs and nerfs. Black hammer is still going to do what it has always done, now you just have to be aware of your ammo. Literally all you have to do, I'd be surprised if ammo wasn't somewhere considering the player probably wasn't using it on anything but bosses anyway. If not that then oh look a synth. --------Thorn as far as damage is concerned only got the DOT adjusted, it'll be a 3 shot now. Sure there is fall off but even still the damage is there. Hell I'm not really sure where a 2 headshot would leave someone either. It might result in the same thing or something slightly less than that. Anyway for PvE it can stack 5 times. The last word got nerfed in range, but got buffed hipfire precision damage or at least in accuracy, because that's what it was meant for. Icebreaker has you waiting 3 whole extra seconds, not a big deal. I wish people would complain that PvE is no fun when enemies take forever to die. That's what the real problem is, and no one seems to realize it and instead says something about weapons becoming useless.
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5 RisposteAs much as people will hate me for saying it, you're right. Bungie actually got it right this time, and did exactly what needed to be done. Hand cannons were sniper rifles. That will be fixed. Auto rifles were marshmallow cannons. That will be fixed. Gjallarhorn was [i]waaaaay[/i] to OP; so much so that it became a requirement for endgame content on LFG. That too will be fixed. The only problem I had with the weapon re-balance was that they were not blunt enough in the update. They should've said "we're nerfing hand cannons because it's all there is in crucible", "Gjallarhorn folks are getting too toxic with their supremacy complexes, so it needs to be taken down a notch", and "we made auto rifles too weak because you abused them, so we're going to fix them again. This time don't muck it up." That's just my thoughts, though.
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1 RispondiI totally agree with your analysis and opinion. This game needs balance and that's a dynamic evolving scale
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1 RispondiI actually like your positive view on this. So far best one, I still can't fathom with the IB and BH it just looses its color but if they were to be cool, and make a exotic sniper that's based on White Nail then sure amazing no regrets. IB for me is totally left field, if people wants to play the game super passively now they have to sit there for an extra few more seconds . The Oracle strategy wouldn't change at all the Special Synths that could refill the ammo for other options of snipers. Gjallarhorn nerf I have to to hold judgement since there wasn't a specific number. There reasoning for the nerf is down right silly now people are still gonna require Gjallarhorn after the nerf it will be encouraged due to lower damage on the wolf pack if they would of done Optional Matchmaking this would never be the issue. Plus, they should of buffed the other rocket launchers (more like DB) to be more of a viable choice than dimming down the Top Dog of the PvE.
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1 RispondiGood post
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2 RisposteGood post. I agree with it. The only part that I'm not in agreement with Bungie about the weapon tuning is the Icebreaker change. I get why they did it but I don't agree with it. However changing the time from five seconds to eight shouldn't impact me too much. My gripe though; finally after six and a half months auto rifles will have a damage increase. Thank you Bungie.
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The nurf on ice breaker will make people play VOG oracles normal now. Hahaha yeah right no that is so fake it's called vision of confluence plus primary synthesis or the VOG sniper. If you do VOG bungie even said it is strategy and it is! Just think about on winters run nightfall strike pre patch if you hung back by the ship it took you a LONG time to beat the strike but it was safe where as if you just run up there u beat the strike blasting fast ice breaker was a strategy weapon that took a lot longer than actually confronting the enemies I could do rants on all the PVE weapons that are the good but there were good things about this update like auto rifles hand cannons and etc for PVP but PVE weapons were just fine
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1 RispondiGood post
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Gally was supposed to be OP. I've encountered very little eilitism regarding people needing maxed gally's. With the exception of skolas. But that was pre nerf. They are lowering the power of weapons and doing so right before a major jumping on point so a whole host of new players will never know the difference. That only effects their original player base, the year one players who made this game a success. What really galls me about the Gally nerf is not that they are reducing the damage because it won't make all that much difference, it's the idea that it is to stamp out elitism on lfg forums and stop one strategy dominating [only in skolas] how we play. What will happen is the people who are being elitist will still be elitist and people will have to use the other strategy for skolas: the one Bungie want us to.
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1 RispondiThank you, logic.
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9 RisposteI don't see why they are nerfing thorn. The thorn is only deadly in the right hands. The people who can't get the thorn complain and cry because they get smacked by it. And for the people who spent time trying to get its unfair to them and I know some people who might trade destiny back in if thorn and Gjallhorn are nerfed. So bungie your Dumb A s s Sh i t
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I have friends that quit this game because of the grinding involved. Catering to the hardcore PVP YouTube crowd instead of the majority is a mistake imo. If the hardcore PVP wants balance then make everyone in PVP be the same class w/same guns and armour. Leave PVE alone. PoE 34 & 35 w/o cp's are difficult enough if not impossible for casual or average players that don't play more than a few hours a week. I've done Skolas twice. The rewards and time involved are not worth it. Nerf all you want to address PVP, not PVE. Don't make the endgame content impossible for the average players.
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2 RisposteI still don't agree with the ice breaker, and Gjallarhorn nerf. If they don't want people doing VOG like that then they should have paid more attention when developing the map. I share that opinion with any other game mode. Also if they didn't want people to use snipers as their intended use, then they shouldn't have put them in the game. The Gjallarhorn nerf is just as bad. You don't just get Gjallarhorn, and run through the entire game modes. It's a heavy that you use for heavy health bosses. It's in high demand because it's stronger than the others. It's not hurting PvP. There are people who require Gjallarhorn to join their fire team, but who cares. NEWS FLASH!!!!!! Start your own fire team, and you can allow anyone you want!!
