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Modificato da PurpleFuzz: 4/21/2015 4:44:10 PM
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Gjallarhorn vs. Atheon

This is something that has come up over the last few raids, both as "well that's the first time anybody told me not to use it" and in the form of people just ignoring facts and trying to be awesome. So here's the deal: I get that Gjallarhorn is awesome. I get that it wrecks Atheon. IF more than a few team members are using it on Atheon. I can't tell if it's hard-core Gally love, lack of experience with the vault (or math), or something else I'm missing entirely. If you hit him with rockets or grenades, he moves. That means that potentially four other players, hopefully hitting for 18-20k *per shot* (with weapons of light and Ice Breaker or Black Hammer) are missing. So sure, you get off a few rockets depending on how good your relic/oracle team is, but you also just cost the team well over 100k in damage from missed critical hits. So put away your pride for a second, think about the team, and try dropping him in one pass instead of with rockets (again), on the third pass. Just a thought. Either way, keep raiding. :-) Edit: Some people are comparing Gally damage to sniper damage as a 1 to 1 comparison. i.e. I can do 30k per shot with Gally, therefor I'm putting out 120k damage with my four rockets which is more than you can with your sniper. Roger that. BUT, you are forgetting that it's not just one sniper missing. Let's say two of your snipers are awesome and never miss even when Atheon is dancing (this is for those of you that seem to think it's silly I can't crit Atheon while he's dancing), the other two guys miss their blackhammer shots...your 30k Gjallarhorn actually just cost us 40k worth of sniping damage. And if you had fired a shot there too instead of that rocket, the total damage for just that one shot would be in the 60k range. Multiply that by any sniper of your choice, and you've just cost the team a one pass kill. Wheeee...
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  • Another quick way to get around it if you want to use a heavy, use a machine gun, thunderlord or SGA will do the job just fine

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  • If several teammates are using it on atheon, I will too. Otherwise I use it to nuke praetorians on Venus before oracles start spawning. Makes life stoopid easy for the relic. I'll just use a longbow or black hammer on Atheon.

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  • Agreed. Grinds my gears when people rocket/grenade him.

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  • Modificato da Legit N1ghtm4re: 4/29/2015 9:37:38 PM
    The team needs to decide wether they are doing all BH/IB or all Gally. If at least 2 people don't have Gally just snipe.

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  • Black Hammer + precision shots + weapons of light = endless 20k crit. Add that to SGA for destroying oracles in seconds without a single reload and you have the best combo in the game for atheon.

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  • It just makes him move. All you need are direct hits with Black Hammer.

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  • He's moving anyway, no matter if you snipe him only or if you're using explosives.

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    • Dude I love you for posting this I hate it when people use -blam!-ing gally on him all the time and the other 4 members missing a good 1mill of damage overall in the 30 seconds of times vengeance.

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    • We've done him on the first teleport with weapons of light and only icebreakers and blackhammers. Because he stands pretty still and doesn't hide. If you throw grenades, use rockets or a nova bomb he's gonna move. I've had numerous runs where he's moving and missed all of my icebreaker shots on him.

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    • Use whatever primary you want. Black hammer and super good advice. That's all you need Watch this https://youtu.be/ZKU5jzDH4vI Please subscribe if it helped

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      • Use gally when ported. Kills mobs with ease

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      • Kh

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      • ATHEON

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      • Haven't ran VoG in a while, but I seem to recall him striding back and fourth regardless of what's being shot at him. Anyway, first off let's talk about his precision box - it's big. Second let's talk about ice breaker - you run out of bullets before times vengeance ends every time meaning you aren't maximizing damage output (or you are firing slow to maintain bullets but still, that's not maximizing damage either). Now let's talk about how many guardians own Gjallarhorn, I'd say at least half if not more - there's most likely 2 or more in each raid that own it. Last let's talk about heavy ammo, xur sells it we every weekend now and you get 5 for only 1 sc. So based off this hypothetical information (because I'm too lazy to find links and post for proof - you can search yourself if you care that much), at least 2 people should use Gjallarhorn and dump 6+ rockets first times vengeance. The other 3 should fire whatever heavy they have. Everyone should be using praedyth's revenge because of the fast reload, increased mag size, and high fire rate (if you don't have one, then use ice breaker but prefer everyone to use exotic heavies). Atheon should be dropped right after the 2nd times vengeance kicks in. And if you miss a sniper precision shot you are still doing 100% damage (vs I believe 150% for precision shots) so what like 7.5k vs 11.25k per shot or something - not a huge difference when you got 2 gjally's dumping 6 or 7 rockets. When ever raiding with randoms, the group should communicate and all decide on a strategy before tackling the raid. It saves the whole group time by not arguing over stupid things, booting people or people getting mad and leaving which means more time searching for another random, & it saves people from getting singled out usually. Be open and don't think that your way is the only way because I guarantee you, there is a group out there that can prove you wrong

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        • Let the snipers black hammer him while other teammates are in the portal. When everyone comes out you can gjally him to death.

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          • don't forget to throw all your grenades at Atheon too

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            • In my case it all depends on the other player. If everyone has Gally/HoC (notice the both have tracking!?!?!?!) The everyone will just say "-blam!- it, let's down him through one teleport", Otherwise, corrective measure replaces gally and black hammer goes on. Luckily I've started to do VoG with a more regular fireteam so we don't have to debate too often whether to use it or not. We just crap rockets out on him, end of............

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            • My heavy slot is for oracles. Machine guns melt oracles in like 5 bullets. Snipers do enough damage, you can still kill him in 2 teleports with just sniping

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            • We usually do rockets first run, snipers second if needed, works out real nice.

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            • My clan, for some reason, does this all of the time. There is always at least 1 or 2 that have to fire rockets. We almost never get him down in 2 rotations--normally takes 3 (or even 4 if 1-2 people somehow die). I'll then join another group of friends that I occasionally Raid with and we ALWAYS kill Atheon in 2 rotations (he's normally dead fairly early in the 2nd rotation)

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              • I love it when they make atheon move and mess up my black hammer shots :3....

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              • Am I the only one who uses corrective measure at atheon for oracles

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                • As in any team activity, the majority should rule. If everyone is wanting to use rockets and you're saying use snipers, swallow your damn pride and use a rocket. If everyone wants to use snipers, use snipers and put the rockets away. The collective team is what is accomplishing the mission. If you want to be an island, solo it. Otherwise, do what the team wants. Personally, I'm a fan of using snipers on Atheon. Less chance of blowing yourself up in a bubble.

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                  • Tried to explain this to scrubs last night, one kept rocketing and ruining it for the rest. So we did one clean run with Weapons of Light and crushed like half his health with snipers... Room was silent...

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                  • I do what I want.

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                  • Modificato da Darkstar Aurora: 4/25/2015 8:51:48 PM
                    You do not need to have any specific weapons for Atheon other than something to rapidly kill oracles. Requiring everyone to become a sniper just to accomodate one persons Black Hammer fixation is just as ridiculous as requiring everyone to have Gjallarhorn. You have up to five teleport phases before he enrages to kill him with whatever weapons you have, and people have even killed him on hard mode with nothing but Radiance and endless fusion grenades. The notion that everyone needs to snipe him or must trick his AI into not moving is nonsense. As for 'efficiency' the sniper bubble strategies can waste up to 1/3 of Time's Vengeance in total if you factor in all the seconds lost getting everyone to the center island, then seconds lost having everyone move in and out of Weapons of Light, then more lost while refreshing Weapons of Light, and then moving away from the island at 3 seconds remaining. Not to mention requiring the Relic Holder to adhere to a purely passive role instead of allowing them to actively damage Atheon when in a group that does not rely on precision damage or huddle strategies. Or everyone can use Gjallarhorn and kill him in 15 seconds after Time's Vengeance takes effect from wherever they are standing in the arena--no aim or passive relic holder required.

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