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Edited by NatalieBee:
8/20/2017 4:24:30 PM
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Removing Confederate Statues doesn't "Erase History"
Due to the fact that after the statue is removed, 2 things can happen too it:
1. It is donated to a museum, where people can learn about the person with more context to history at the time.
2. It is sold to a private collector, who'll most likely sell it to a museum. If they don't, than that could be considered erasing history, in some cases.
Edit 1: To the people messaging me and saying I don't understand the Confederacy, my great great grandfather fought in the civil war for the confederates. He's buried in the oldest graveyard in Houston. That doesn't mean I want a monument honoring him in my city.
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30 RepliesBut it is censoring it because people are appalled by it. I'm appalled by all the pc and micro-aggressive bull s*** you people put out. But do I go in and say "well you shouldn't talk about that because I hate it". No I don't because that is hindering free speech. And you are hindering people from honoring history. I respect confederates and all they're leaders as well as the union and all of they're leaders. Just because something makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean you should remove it. You should engage in discussion and try and sway that person to your said. That is peaceful debate and people should practice it
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The problem is it should be up to the people that you know, LIVE in that town if they want it taken down or not. It shouldn't be up to people that hardly ever see it and are simply out looking to find everything racist or problematic so they can make themselves feel better.
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Edited by Furiously Dashing: 8/18/2017 11:34:34 PM"Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it." -Edmund Burke, Irish conservative statesman and author I believe we should keep the statues up, not because we idolize the heroes of the Cofederacy, but because they serve as a reminder to the heritage of the South and how we should never forget the fight for the slaves to earn their freedom. [i]We must learn from our mistakes.[/i]
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You know, it's hard to put a statue in a museum when people keep vandalizing them Just sayin
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6 RepliesYou know, as long as they sell it for a profit, I am good with them going to a museum. A country should never forget where it came from. What bugs me, is the price to remove them. I saw quotes of $330,000 & $370,000. Are they buying the damn equipment to move the statues? I mean, it does not cost but a tenth of that to move a house, so how is a statue that expensive?
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35 RepliesGermany doesn't have any Hitler statues in public places, & nobody has forgotten about his role in history.
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I dunno it's just a statue.
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2 RepliesWell in addition to museums they're putting them in battlefields and cemeteries
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"REMOVING STATUES ERASES HISTORY" [spoiler]it doesnt[/spoiler] "Here, bulldoze this burial ground sacred to Native Americans for this pipeline." 🙄
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81 RepliesEdited by Mad Max: 8/17/2017 5:56:31 PMGermany doesn't have statues honoring [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] leaders, and they seem to remember WWII just fine.
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20 RepliesStatues and monuments exist primarily to glorify. As a simple rule, we probably shouldnt glorify traitors to the United States. We can learn everything we need to about them in books.
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18 RepliesEdited by varvatos: 8/18/2017 7:09:39 AMCzech Republic destroyed there communist statues years ago, They have put a huge wagging finger in place of one statue of Stalin which represents they will never go back to communism. Maybe you lot should do the same with your slavery statues.
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3 RepliesThey view this as censorship, and yet vehemently disagree with transgender individuals using the bathroom they feel most comfortable using. It's hypocritical at best.
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9 RepliesThere are also these ancient relics of the past called "books." It is said they contain knowledge of past events like wars.
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13 RepliesNot really related but to me it's funny how all of the black movements never talk about how African American males are incarcerated at 5 times the rate of white males. They never talk about how African American children make up 32% of child arrests, and 42% of children who are detained. That if African Americans and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rate as whites jail populations would drop 40%. That almost 90% of black homicide victims were killed by blacks. That 50% of homicide offenders are black. All of this even though blacks make up only 13.3% of the nation's population. Sure yeah you can claim racial profiling and how blacks are arrested more because cops are racist. But racist cops have nothing to do with black on black crime. These movements should be more focused on raising their kids better, not removing statues or disrespecting the flag and national anthem. If you really don't like it here in America then there's 194 other countries you could live in. "I am a young, black, rich m***er f***er. If that don't let you know that America understand black m***er f***ers these days, I don't know what it is."- Lil Wayne.
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It would be like having a statue of the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] leaders in Germany.
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6 RepliesPeople just love to tie race into everything to further their agendas or gain attention. Making everything racist isn't gonna remove racism.
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Omg.. why waste time and money getting rid of it and if I recall correctly there were other reasons for the fighting not just slavery. Stop being whiny kids who feel "hurt" about a statue, it's stupid seeing this crap on tv and on the news and people are killing/injuring others over a statue? Grow up Just personal opinion
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Read a cool story out of Tampa, Fla. today. Seems that Hillsborough County has one of those ugly-ass monuments to slavery and treason on the grounds of its county courthouse. The public wants it gone, and a private party has agreed to take the monument off the county's hands and give it a new home in a private family cemetery. Problem solved, except that the candy-ass county commissioners, bowing to pressure from neo-Confederate morons, decreed the monument would stay right where it is unless the public came up with at least half the cost of removal and relocation within thirty days. It took exactly a day for the public to not only meet the fundraising goal but to exceed it by a wide margin.
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Had this been a problem well before Dylan Roof shot nine people, I might be more sympathetic. But all of this seems to be a reaction to his heinous crime. Now, it seems that local governments are trying to give that psycho what he wanted. By pulling them down without thought, without research into their origin, they open the doors to these kinds of conflicts. I defend the statues because I believe we need them as reminders of where we came from and what happens when our nation is divided. I defend the statues and memorials because we need to remember the sin of slavery. I defend them, because the poor subsistence farmer left to defend his home from a perceived invader and the courage it took to stand in the face of overwhelming odds should be honored. I defend the statues with my words and with reason (as best as I can).
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Edited by Jovis Joesun: 8/18/2017 9:05:59 PMI am only against the violent tearing down. Museums are where they should be after they get taken down. Just replace them with an American ww2 ww1 hero rather than some random protester bitch.
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How often do you ever look at a monument and actually give a shit?
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Edited by Keanu Weeves: 8/18/2017 9:03:30 AMInstead of being "offended" by it, all they had to do is change how they [i]view[/i] it. Some see the statue as a heroic symbol, whereas instead of that they could use their minds given by me and think of it differently. For example, the statue could resemble a horrific chapter of humanity and was built as a reminder that you won't stray that path again because you are strong and United. But no, I just [b][i][u]HAD[/u][/i][/b] to accidently knock over the "special snowflake" powder into the millennials when they were created. My bad guys.
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1 ReplyI'm sooooo happy millennials support whitewashing
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I'm only against it because it's only just recently become an issue in the hands of the people.
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2 RepliesMt. Rushmore wouldn't be Mt. Rushmore without the 4 oversized heads carved out of it. If it were blown up, would that be erasing history? No, but it would be removing a historical monument. Actually the story of it's creation is more interesting than the 4 faces. Should the native Americans around the Little Bighorn battlefield remove the monument in their home territory to Custer and his men as well? Or should that be in a museum? After all, the place is military cemetery today. No one seems too bent out of shape over these, but we all know the history behind them. So why is it so important to remove these statues? Why don't people look at them for what they are? Monuments to men who lost. They should be reminders to them that these people don't control their lives or futures. Their ancestors were freed from these people. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/leo-twiggs-southern-african-american-artist-paints-confederate-flag/ That's what this man does. [quote]In 1970, he became the first black student to earn a doctor of arts at the University of Georgia. Twiggs became one of the South's most acclaimed artists. His paintings of this flag represent his journey and the South's.[/quote]
