THIS IS OPINION BASED This post stemmed from everyone complaining about IB gear getting players to 32. Then those players not knowing how to do a raid. Good Golly we better kick them from the raid right? Well in theory, You take a group of 6 x 32 Raiders and 6 x 32 PvP'ers now have them do the same activities. Once the PvP'ers learn the raid fights, they would be clearing the raid faster than the Raiders. Once the Raiders learn the PVP maps, they would still be getting their faces kicked in. Here is how I look at it. If you don't PvP you're just hurting yourself. Playing against another player is much more challenging than killing NPC's that you already know how they react to everything you do. Anyone can play the raid or strikes enough times to memorize them. I certainly have. The players that PvP, in general are better players than pure Raiders. [b]PvP'ers:[/b] EARNED their gear, are better at twitch firing, have better situational awareness, have faster reactions, the ability to adapt to a Pve environment easily (enemies are easy to read and programmed with a limited move set) [b]Raiders have:[/b] Sherpa Cheese The ability to learn a fight after hours of repeating it until done right / or overcome with higher levels [b]EDIT:[/b] Raiders used to cheese 24/7 Now that is fixed and the raids have to be done legit (most of the parts) Let me say that I prefer to raid and do strikes with buddies over doing pvp. I'm just tired of those on these forums that are not correctly informed. [b]MY POINT - Bringing a 32 IB gear player into your raiding party does not mean failure. [/b]