[quote]Hard to swallow pills : you all refused to play the mode before and now expect yourselves to suddenly be great at it. On top of this you assumed match making meant you'd suddenly start winning even though you're bad at the game mode. Furthermore for God knows what reason you haven't learnt that lesson yet so you think freelance means you a bad player will suddenly start winning. No if you're bad you're bad and you need to practice to get better.
No trials isn't for the sweat Lords anymore, you can literally get all the rewards aside from adept weapons and mods while losing constantly. Bungie made fantastic changes you all just refuse to practice, refuse to take the blame for loses often blaming your team of randoms or accusing the enemies of cheating or no lifing.
Most of all a lot of you actively refuse to use any form of lfg as well as never using fire team voice chat during games effectively shooting yourself in the foot from the get go, and then you're shocked you lose more than you win.
This season bungie is not to blame, sweats are not to blame, streamers and content creators are not to blame, YOU are to blame.
Edit : I want to throw this in here because I did not expect even 1 reply let alone the hundreds it's getting and I have no intention of replying back aside from this edit. Soooooo many of you are quick to get triggered and miss understand the tone of the post.
(Shout out to the large amount of people that have left positive comments I see you <3)
Anyways the clarification is this; there is nothing wrong with being bad we all sucked when we started and that's a fact, the problem is the majority actively refuse to put any time at all into practice in order to improve and instead immediately rush here to complain. Not 1 single time did I ever say opening up to solo and duo players was bad for trials idk why you people think the "1t W4s DyiNg B3fOrE s0loS gOt L3t iN" is a valid argument here given that's not in the slightest the thing I'm addressing. Yes it was dying, yes I'm happy with the population increase, but your attitudes are gonna just kill it again.
And finally arguably most importantly something I left out of the original post cos it was already longer than I wanted it to be; match making exists in trials purely as a form of practicing, introducing you to the game mode, and warming up before joining a team that is all. Is it possible to solo a ton of wins? Yes. Will the average player be able to do so? No. Can you solo flawless? Yes. Should the average player expect a solo flawless? No.
Ayo I final thing why so many replies being like "bro the changes were good" yeah my dude I straight up said in the post the changes bungie made are fantastic lmao we agreeing[/quote]
That’s a cool trick - quick - tell me what else I am thinking!
What you’re forgetting is that most casual PvP players DON’T WANT to get better…we really don’t care about going flawless either…we just want a fair match when we finally do decide to play…
We also don’t want to be the reason you go flawless that week…
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So you want a casual experience but load into a high end pvp mode? Do you also want to just relax in pve and try to solo raids? 😂
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[quote]So you want a casual experience but load into a high end pvp mode? Do you also want to just relax in pve and try to solo raids? 😂[/quote] So you want a casual experience but load into a high end PvP mode? Isn’t that what you’re doing farming blueberries to flawless… Hilarious…
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Edited by Vanier: 9/28/2021 7:01:52 PMYour problem, not ours. You're going into the highest end-game pvp pool expecting to get rewarded but not grind for those rewards? Tf? You know what that sounds? Sounds like you just want a free participation trophy.
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Edited by SILLABYSS: 9/28/2021 7:28:04 PM[quote]Your problem, not ours. You're going into the highest end-game pvp pool expecting to get rewarded but not grind for those rewards? Tf? You know what that sounds? Sounds like you just want a free participation trophy.[/quote] Highest end game????? Hahahahaha hahahahaha Farming blueberries is highest end game? LOL only in PvP. Only in Destiny! You guys crack me up! Highest end game….lol
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Is that seriously the only thing you took out of that? How unimaginably sad. But I gotta say, you do crack me up with how narrow-minded you are.
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[quote]Is that seriously the only thing you took out of that? How unimaginably sad. But I gotta say, you do crack me up with how narrow-minded you are.[/quote] Awesome- keep farming those blueberries! Keep telling yourself you’re great!
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If you go into the highest endgame pvp mode as a poor player that’s fine and you should get rewards but they can only make so many changes to try and make it easier for you. And I think we have hit that limit of flawless pool opening later in a weekend slight sbmm and some protection on losing multiple flawless attempts. Less than average players are still going to struggle regardless of the changes
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[quote]If you go into the highest endgame pvp mode as a poor player that’s fine and you should get rewards but they can only make so many changes to try and make it easier for you. And I think we have hit that limit of flawless pool opening later in a weekend slight sbmm and some protection on losing multiple flawless attempts. Less than average players are still going to struggle regardless of the changes[/quote] Not even close - SBMM and solo freelance… Then - and only then - it won’t be a blueberry farm..
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Then it will be awful for the other 80% don’t you get that? Lower population hurts everyone. Bad players leave to go to solo then that trickles upwards
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[quote]Then it will be awful for the other 80% don’t you get that? Lower population hurts everyone. Bad players leave to go to solo then that trickles upwards[/quote] Pretty sure the majority of players in trials now are casuals…so that would be 80% in favour not against… Go back to sleep…
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Edited by SILLABYSS: 9/28/2021 7:35:55 PM[quote]Then it will be awful for the other 80% don’t you get that? Lower population hurts everyone. Bad players leave to go to solo then that trickles upwards[/quote] Lol so what is trials supposed to be? Answer me that. If it’s an an actual end game activity it should not be open to everyone- only the best of the best. Which would make the pool very small - were talking 1% here. If you want to open it up ti casuals it has to be more than a blueberry farm - and you don’t get to call it “end game” anymore just to excuse the fact that you’re farming blueberries… That’s not end game… The answer is simple - open up trials to be 100% solo and with Sbmm - then everyone can play - and have the same experience… But I’m guessing you’re not going to go for that - because farming blueberries is easier than actually playing against your same skill level… What a joke…
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25-30% of players are able to win 7 games with 1 loss and go flawless it’s not exactly this farm where everyone is getting dumpstered except the best. The majority of players do fine. Making freelance will kill trials it will just be 90% of players playing solo and only the top 10% playing together in 3 stack playlist. In freelance it will be a 50-50 win rate fest where you are rolling the dice on teammates Also do you not understand that SBMM would mean no flawlesses? In a perfect sbmm it should be 50-50 win rates how will you go flawless if sbmm is working? We can’t sacrifice the top 60% of players for the bottom 40% Most players do fine in trials that’s what you are missing
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[quote]25-30% of players are able to win 7 games with 1 loss and go flawless it’s not exactly this farm where everyone is getting dumpstered except the best. The majority of players do fine. Making freelance will kill trials it will just be 90% of players playing solo and only the top 10% playing together in 3 stack playlist. In freelance it will be a 50-50 win rate fest where you are rolling the dice on teammates Also do you not understand that SBMM would mean no flawlesses? In a perfect sbmm it should be 50-50 win rates how will you go flawless if sbmm is working? We can’t sacrifice the top 60% of players for the bottom 40% Most players do fine in trials that’s what you are missing[/quote] Most casual players don’t care about going flawless…And if you can go flawless in a solo Playlist then good for you! If you want trials to be end game then you’re going to have to face the best of the best…not the worst of the worst.. Otherwise it’s a joke… Freelance should be the kiddie pool and regular trials should be the end game… It makes no sense any other way…
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So if most causal players don’t care about flawless then they should just play with 2 friends and win 50% of their games and get tons of loot. You don’t have to win to get great rewards any average player who wants too can go flawless and less than average can play with others and still find success for loot. You are arguing that the VAST majority should have a worse experience because the bottom 30 or so want to win pvp games in which they aren’t good. Even in freelance these players will lose often that’s the problem. Look at freelance iron banner is that really much better for bad players? Not really Trials right now is rewarding for bad players who lose constantly. It’s very rewarding for those who are average as they can go flawless and the good players get immense rewards Everytime you split playerbase it gets harder for everyone AND creates another 20-30% that can’t compete in their bracket
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[quote]So if most causal players don’t care about flawless then they should just play with 2 friends and win 50% of their games and get tons of loot. You don’t have to win to get great rewards any average player who wants too can go flawless and less than average can play with others and still find success for loot. You are arguing that the VAST majority should have a worse experience because the bottom 30 or so want to win pvp games in which they aren’t good. Even in freelance these players will lose often that’s the problem. Look at freelance iron banner is that really much better for bad players? Not really Trials right now is rewarding for bad players who lose constantly. It’s very rewarding for those who are average as they can go flawless and the good players get immense rewards Everytime you split playerbase it gets harder for everyone AND creates another 20-30% that can’t compete in their bracket[/quote] You’re still missing the point. Casuals don’t want to be farmed. We want a fair game - not a stomp. To be honest I think Trials should be sunset. It’s completely pointless as an activity. You say yourself it’s not for casuals - so why all the casuals?
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You can’t be bad and demand to hurt everyone else because you want to be protected that’s selfish. They have taken compromises like the flawless pool and some sbmm. and loss based protections All those didn’t help some and neither will freelance
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As Saint would say, go back to control, perhaps you’ll fair better in shaxx’s little baby arena…
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[quote]As Saint would say, go back to control, perhaps you’ll fair better in shaxx’s little baby arena…[/quote] No thanks - I’m good…
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[quote]As Saint would say, go back to control, perhaps you’ll fair better in shaxx’s little baby arena…[/quote] Or how about I don’t play at all and they go back to cancelling trials - because we know no one will play trials unless there’s an easy stomp tied to it…glaring proof over the last few weeks, bud… LOL
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Edited by Psyggie: 9/28/2021 9:35:09 AMThis is an extremely selfish and senseless point of view. Go play control and stay out of trials. It's that simple.
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[quote]This is an extremely selfish and senseless point of view. Go play control and stay out of trials. It's that simple.[/quote] lol okay - sorry who’s farming blueberries to the lighthouse? Who’s being selfish? You guys crack me up… Why would you think I would even care…
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Edited by Psyggie: 9/28/2021 11:04:09 AMMuted
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Define fair?
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Edited by Demon_XXVII: 9/28/2021 9:59:41 AM[quote]Define fair?[/quote] Fair - as in equal rules (two football teams with 4 leagues between them, still have the laws of the game to guide them & a referee to abide by those laws Skill based matchmaking cannot help close the gap between a 4.0 & a 0.4 But actual hit detection accounted/registered by dedicated servers (that can help differentiate between/pair up players with similar pings & matchmaking) can sure as heck help Maybe the better player has the laggiest connection that helps them rather than be a hindrance Bog standard control inputs (no 3rd party controllers/macro’s/cheat modes) At the moment, Bungie use CBMM to placate the streamer/marketing tubers & allow social media to carry the hype, plus FTP & lowering of the basic standard in connection speed/quality/noise to allow the world wide catchment of players
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Cbmm is equal rules lmao. You get matched with oeople who havevthe best connection to you... how is that unfair?