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Edited by isaac13d: 11/26/2018 12:36:17 PM
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Troubles at the workplace

Started at a factory back in early March, I feel like I've learned the ropes well enough and can do my job adequately. We are a compounding factory, we make the plastics that go into things that other companies make, like weather seals on your car, or your air bag, and sometimes the clear plastic on your microwave meals. Each line takes 2 people to operate: One to operate, and make sure that all materials are feeding properly, get more material as needed, get rid of empty boxes and barrels, documentation, and sometimes clean if necessary. And the other to fold new boxes, take full ones to the warehouse, check the cut of the material, and take material to the lab for our technicians to test, and sometimes clean if necessary. Now that you have a vague idea of how the job goes I'll tell of my problem. Let's call him J (not his real name) J started a few months before me, around October, so when I initially worked with him, he did know more than I did about the job. By the time I was moved to the graveyard shift with J I knew enough to operate the line, packaging was of course easier, but I wanted to learn as much as I could about the tough part of the job, because the easier part would be simpler to learn. So for about 3 months straight, I operated, whenever is all if J would operate he'd ask if I was sick or something, I should have seen it then, but I didn't, not yet. About 2 months in we did get another new guy and he learned on a smaller one man line, we'll call him C (also not his real name), he's pretty cool and he wanted to learn the big line. I taught him what I could (J might have taught him some too), and after about a month C and I had started a rotation so that we could learn each other's line. J started doing less and less. He began to refuse whenever we'd ask for help, or when we'd ask him to keep an eye on things to take a break. "Nah, I don't play like that!" Is generally what he'd say. The one time I did force him to operate was for a material that takes almost no effort to operate for and he was smug as hell about it when he said he'd do it. He eventually said it was a bad play on my part because that material is the easiest to run. He's so bad now, that even before I ever said anything about it, the entire factory knows how lazy he is, and from what I can gather he is entirely unfazed by this. Fast forward to last night, me and C are totally fed up with him, and decided that he IS going to operate the big line, and we called him out on it in front of another Co-worker. He seemed pretty pissed, told me not to -blam!-in talk to him any more, and as I stared at him walking past me to leave he said "-blam!- what you staring at!?" With an aggressive stance. (He's not black, I'll just say that he's vaguely Hispanic, this is verbatim) after he passed I shook my head and said " a sad mother -blam!-er" I know he's just pissed, whether he's pissed about being called out, or being given a hard time, I couldn't give a flying -blam!-, but I'm not gonna put up with that. I don't know him well enough to know if he's willing to take that outside, but I didn't see him hanging around at work waiting for me. I'm sort of torn about what I should do, I certainly didn't back down, but it would be stupid to provoke an entirely avoidable fight. I don't want him fired, but if he refuses to run the line, I'll probably just go home tomorrow, and just be honest when the bosses ask why I did it. Tldr: being lazy and prideful at the same time makes you look stupid. Edit: you guys got any workplace stories you want to get off your chest? Dump them here if you feel like it.
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  • Edited by Tetrafy: 12/1/2018 6:31:56 AM
    Honestly best thing you can do is talk to the guy. Going to management generally doesnt go well labelled a rat even if you have good reason. Youll be respected more for confronting the guy. Ask him why he doesnt want to share duties anymore, sometimes you have to work with garbage it sucks. But sometimes you have to give them a taste of their own medicine depending on how that talk went of course. Perhaps he is struggling with life outside stuff. Or he has extra responsibilities that you dont have troubleshooting etc. Someone has to do it, and trust me it takes up more time then not doing it. Been in factories almost 8 years specialized for 5 and on a team as well. Dont be a door mat, but help out when stuff hits the fan people remember that and appareciate you more. Based on what you said he has extra time and experience than you, he probably feels ganged up on and is lashing out. Clearly the guy isnt going to throw arms probably just wants to be left alone.

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  • Hope you get to HR before he does. First person to report bs in the workplace has the upper hand. J sounds like a prick and would probably exaggerate or outright lie to HR about you without hesitation. Dont let it go. Tell HR about his attitude now and get the paper trail started. Six months from now you may end up wishing you had.

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  • Edited by LahDsai: 11/28/2018 3:07:02 PM
    Had a student come in for a placement test yesterday (I teach English overseas). She was a young adult, early mid 20's. One of our new teachers (who's actually leaving at the end of the month but that's neither here nor there) walks buy the testing room as she's doing the written portion of the placement test. Then comes up to me. [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Who's that? [b][u]Me[/u][/b]: A new student. [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: She's a student?! [b][u]Me[/u][/b]: Yeah... so? [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Damn man. [b][u]Me[/u][/b]: ...? [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: I thought she was older. [b][u]Me[/u][/b]: She's an adult student. Maybe college or maybe working. [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Really? Dayum man. [b][u]Me[/u][/b]: What? [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: You don't wear a dress that short unless you're looking for something, knowhatamean?[spoiler]She was wearing a uniform, kinda like [url=https://static.appledaily.hk/images/e-paper/20130327/large/1364392849_c8e6.jpg]the one on the left in this picture[/url] but different colors and not from any airline I recognize. Probably did some kind of sales.[/spoiler][b][u]Me[/u][/b]: ... [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Maybe I should go talk to her. [b][u]Me[/u][/b]: She's a student. [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Yeah, but dayum man. [b][u]Me[/u][/b]: She's a student. [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Mmmm. [b][u]Me[/u][/b]: (cringe) (Otherdude walks in) [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Hey, Otherdude. That girl. She's hot, right? [b][u]Otherdude[/u][/b]: Who? [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: That girl taking the test. [b][u]Otherdude[/u][/b]: ... That's a student. [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Who cares man? Girl that fine, you gotta give it a try. [b][u]Me[/u][/b]: Not very professional. [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Doesn't matter, I'm gone at the end of the month. (Boss walks into the room) [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Who's that? [b][u]Boss[/u][/b]: A student. She's testing. [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Like a "student" student? [b][u]Boss[/u][/b]: Adult department. [b][u]Dude[/u][/b]: Do you want me to finish the test?[spoiler]There are only three people qualified to do the tests, the director (Boss), administrative assistant, and teacher trainer (myself)[/spoiler][b][u]Boss[/u][/b]: (gives dude confused look)... I've got it covered. (Boss steps into testing room) Anyway, this dude was completely creeping on a potential customer. Weirded me the f*** out. Can't say I'm disappointed to see him go.

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  • ... Well where I'm from, well, let's just say we have different ways of dealing with lazy arrogant people... [spoiler]not included in the DLC[/spoiler]

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    • Edited by Cobravert: 11/26/2018 2:55:55 PM
      Ah factory life. It's the same in offices too, but in an office people have to tend to act a little more respectable. In the factory they seem to have less concern about whether they get fired for insubordination or not. Just avoid him and work with anyone else as much as it is your ability to. You aren't going to change his behavior. Management should be watching performance, and if he is doing poorly or the bare minimum, they usually notice if they're worth anything. But don't stay home or do anything that makes you look as though you are the problem. Do your job, and report his refusal to assist anyone to the proper manager in charge. Explain what the issues are, not how it makes you feel. It sounds like J is just there to get a check, nothing more.

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      • [quote]Tldr: being lazy and prideful at the same time makes you look stupid.[/quote] Question: Does anyone help HIM? All I'm seeing in your side of things is tons about how people respond when THEY are asked for help or to do something outside of their normal responsibilities. Yet I don't see anything about the rest of the culture pitching in and helping HIM when he needs a hand or wants to take a break. A team is a something that swings in both directions....the individual helps the team when it needs it...and the team pitches in and helps the individual when they need it. In a work environment where all the requests for help and "going the extra mile" only go in one direction..... ...people are going to feel taken advantage of, and (if they have a measure of self-respect) they are going to start to say, "No." I've seen many work situations where an employee who gets isolated by the culture then gets branded a "problem". One, because the people (for various reasons) simply don't LIKE that person. But also because an exploitative dynamic gets set up. Where that isolated person is expected to bear all the BURDENS of being a part of team----like constantly being asked to pitch in and "help out"----while getting few-if-any-of-the benefits. IOW, when he needs a hand no one seems to be available or can be bothered. Yet, when he returns the favor and says "No", its suddenly a problem. Though it's not a problem that he's regularly being told that same "No". So while there are always problem employees....there are also problem work environments. TLDR: There are three sides to every story. Your side. His side. Then what is actually going on.

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        • Edited by Payola: 11/26/2018 12:45:36 PM
          At the end of the day, you being right doesn't matter when he goes and complains about how you treated him in front of others or even spoke to him. You can be professional and go to your bosses or bosses bosses and talk about these things to see some kind of resolution. Giving him power, such as making YOURSELF upset or that you're bothered by his lack of work ethic will only get put over your head. Learn from my mistakes!

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