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6/12/2018 12:41:18 AM
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Destiny 2 Year 2 DLC. if you want base game owners to buy forsaken, dont force us to buy a year of undesirable DLC first
I pre-ordered Destiny 2 with the GTX 1080 ti a long time ago. I played a few hours and lost interest because destiny 2 had a phenomenally weak start. Recently with the humble bundles and other interest my friends have gotten the game and I've gotten back into it. I enjoy the game now but I have no interest in buying Warmind or curse of Osiris. I've heard little good about either and due to this see no value in purchasing them. however, I can see the possibility of Forsaken being a valuable expansion well worth its ticket price.
My ultimatum is this. Either I will be allowed to play forsaken without buying the undesirable first two DLC packs, or I along with my other friends on the base game will be finding other games to play. you get my money via forsaken (free of compulsory additional purchases) or not at all.
I don't expect you to give me Osiris or Warmind for free and I have no interest in the content they provided. I simply put forth what I believe is a reasonable request to be permitted to purchase content I am interested without having to fork over a full game's worth of money on a DLC pack I do not want.
*UPDATES WITH NEW THOUGHTS*
my biggest issue with this move is probably marketing. i dont like being sold incomplete pieces.
aside from that i have to concede that pulling content from previous DLC makes for better current content. it is reasonable to want to use those resources.
however i maintain that i dont think they should get a free pass to force everyone to buy their old weak content to get the new content. the Curse of Osiris was pretty poorly received but every person who liked warmind and hated Osiris had to buy both. and now everyone who wants to try forsaken has to pick it up too, even at a reduced price.
i really dont think it is right that they get to tangle their discrete DLCs together and force a system where even their weak content gets sold and brings them money. it doesnt seem genuine for a poorly received expansion to receive widespread use just because everyone had to buy it to get to the later, better stuff.
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It’s actually Activision doing this stuff
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You seem to be forgetting d2 is an mmo it's not a first person shooter with more content added
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This is a completely reasonable request. It is a horrible mistake for Bungie to require the purchase of the previous DLC content. If this is the case, their player base will continue to dwindle. If someone wants to get into playing Forsaken they will look at the cost to purchase the base game and all previous DLC and go elsewhere. As each DLC is released, if it builds upon the others, you will simply lose players at each go around. If someone chooses to purchase forsaken, but not the 3 dlc packs during the year, what are the odds they will come back for year 3? Would you buy 3 DLC packs just to purchase new content when its only the new content you want to use? It is in Bungies best interest to make it as attractive as possible for new and returning players to purchase Forsaken. After all, getting 70 dollars from someone is better than getting zero. In my opinion, if Bungie is going to require owning all DLC they should release a "Game of the year" edition with all previous packs bundled (like they did with the taken king and rise of iron) or they should go to a subscription based model where they charge you 6 bucks a month or something to play Destiny and make all DLC Free. After all, its an online only game in the first place. You are not buying a game you will be able to dust off in 25 years. You are purchasing a subscription service to play with your friends while Bungie keeps the servers up.
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4 RepliesBungie are the only kind of company that listens to revenue growth or loss. They don’t “make games that they want to play” anymore, they develop activities and market it cleverly for money. We all need to stop giving them money.
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9 RepliesA reasonable request? Yes It's super reasonable that they make Forsaken limited to the base game assets and new content included because a small percentage of people believe they are entitled to me more from a business. That is sarcasm to be clear. CoO and Warmind will be getting bundles as they have said they would. They will probably be dirt cheap which is cool for those that didn't pay full price for it. From what you have said you have put in next to no time in the game compared to others that have been active for significantly longer. Yet you consider you and your friends more important consumers to Bungie than those that have the prior DLC content. You are in no position to make ultimatums. Your requests are not reasonable. And honestly you won't be missed. Enjoy your new games.
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1 ReplyCoO was blah Warmind was decent and had stuff to grind for locations will be required for other DLCs because they replay missions and reuse locations. Cant have people playing forsaken without owning other expansions. As far as price, They should offer a bundle at some point. Its still a drop in the bucket for how much you can play and how easy you can spend that same amount of money on junk in the real 3d world
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1 ReplyHAHAHAHAHAHA AN ULTIMATUM...... good one mate! that'll show bungie! i bet they're quaking in their boots as we speak!
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Direct cry from the heart
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Is there a bundle? TTK had one for $40 and it came with all the dlc.
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4 RepliesThis is cute. You think they are going to treat you special. [b][u]You[/u][/b] have the choice, not bungie. You either follow suit or move along.
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3 RepliesIts probably because the "all new" expansion will reuse locations from those dlcs. Just Bungie being Bungie.
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Yeah. What this guy said
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6 RepliesYou're used to the single-player game model, wherein DLCs/expansion packs could be purchased a la carte based on whether or not you wanted that one, how good the reviews were, etc. This is a shared-world game - it only works as intended if we're all sharing the same world, expansion packs included. The game HAS to let the vanilla players keep their vanilla world if they don't feel like paying extra, but they don't have to let players pick and choose. That said, the appropriate way to handle this would be to release Forsaken priced as a bundle with CoO and Warmind, and offer discounts to people that already own CoO and Warmind. What they've done is a marketing snafu. People freak out a lot less about a discount than they do about being told they have to pay extra for something they don't want.
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1 ReplySadly this is how Bungie works and if you expect them to change the way they do things, you better get yourself a soft cushion and a flask because you are in for a very long wait. Its all clever marketing and they do this so well that they will always be the financial winners.
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2 RepliesTo be fair, they're already on sale bundled together for like $20 USD on PSN so it's only a matter of time before Xbox and PC follow suit. I'd say it's a fair price even if it is a little inconvenient. But that's about as good as it's gonna get and that content is definitely worth 10 bucks each like the 3 new planned drops. Buy it all on special and wait for the free changes in September have a more enjoyable experience. You've already waited this long. If $20 is a big deal, perhaps you shouldn't be arguing about video games anyway. This is how shared world games work. This is no different than many other online games. I simply can't understand why people who have no desire to continue waste their finite time on this Earth complaining about a video game.
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1 ReplyI have already accepted that I won't be playing Forsaken, because after the huge disappointment of D2, I refuse to purchase CoO and Warmind.
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4 RepliesI think it as someone else said below it's because of the locations those 2 dlc gave mars and mercury. I totally understand having to get them if the story specifically requires you to go there for example in the taken king you had to go into the crota raid and without the dark below you can't go there. But even more so when it's a specific planet. I would understand your frustration if we did not end up going to mars or mercury in the story, but if I had to guess that's the reason why you need the other two dlc. [spoiler]Money Grab Is Also A Possibility[/spoiler]
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2 RepliesProblem is, those dlc's didn't just contain missions, strikes, and raid lairs. They came with locations. Both Osiris, and warmind gave us a new location, but both also had us go to a location that had already been in the game. Both these times it required only the base game, as they was both earth, and had nothing to do with any dlc's. However in TTK in destiny. They had us revisit to crota's end raid to absorb some of the slain Crota's essence. It made sense to do this in the story, but without the dark below dlc, you wouldn't have had the raid area, nor the story where you slew Crota in the raid. Now I can't say they have something like this in the forsaken, as I obviously haven't played it. I do know that in order for them to be able to sell the expansions without the dlc's, they couldn't take you to a location within those dlc's, not have the new story reference them in story, or lore. Now they could do this no doubt, but I'm not sure they would want to restrict their future story telling in this way.
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2 RepliesThe same thing happened with The Taken King and there was understandable outcry because of it, until it came out and people realized The Taken King expansion built off of locations and environments from The Dark Below and House of Wolves, so it made sense, and The Taken King and Destiny in general was better for it, because it injected the game with greater continuity and that past content that a lot of people paid for didn't feel dead. I imagine Forsaken does the same thing, otherwise they probably wouldn't require it as Warmind does not require Curse of Osiris. In the case of The Taken King (and a year later Rise of Iron as well) Bungie offered an extremely discounted bundle with vanilla D1 with all of the previous expansions added on top of the 40 price for TTK for a total of 60 dollars instead of the much higher price it would have been if you had been forced to buy everything that came before at full retail value. (D1@60+TDB@20+HoW@20+TTK@40=140 or D1@60+ExpansionPass@30+TTK@40=130) I imagine Bungie is going to do the exact same thing, and while you may not like having to buy vanilla D2 again, it will ultimately cost far less, but ultimately the choice is up to you. I expect that Bungie is being coy about the discounted price because a) they may not have settled on a suggested retail price yet, or much more likely b), they don't want to piss off ALL of the gamers who spent 35 bucks on the expansion pass or 40 for the 2 DLCs separately, just to see it as well as the base game all get HUGELY discounted when Forsaken ships, but really, it's not that different (in practice at least) to Game of the Year editions for other games that tend to be more single player in nature. As always, the choice is yours.
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11 RepliesAt the very least include an option in the annual pass that gives you the previous maps and gear, maybe no story line.
