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2/2/2013 2:48:42 AM
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Should true AI have the same rights as humans?

If we as a species are able to advance our technology far enough that we can create artificial intelligence that is completely indistinguishable from a natural human intellect, should those robots be able to have the same rights as humans? Should they be allowed to own property, to marry, to be subject to the same laws as us, be subject to the same protections of the law as us, etc? Or should they stay our slaves and do what we tell them to?
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  • This thread reminds me of [i]Bicentennial Man[/i].

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    • Would an AI even want those things? What would a being of intelligence got out of owning a house? Killing a man? Marrying?

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      • depends. do you mean sentient?

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        Probably.

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      • The trick is determining how to give them those rights. Obviously, not having a physical body would make it tricky to define things for them that we consider human rights. What would shutting them down constitute as? Would they be able to work freely in their domain (the hardware that they "live" in). Would they be able to get citizenship? Vote? Work and pay taxes? It's tricky, and we'll never really know what to do, or if it's actually a true AI, until it happens.

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      • We need to give them rights, obviously. Attempting to enslave all powerful machines wouldn't go well at all. Then we need to act like good parents as well.

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      • If we do create intelligent AI, which I would caution against, yes they should be given human rights. Its the same as procreating. You choose to create life, whether in flesh or virtually, and this conscious life deserves the same rights. Otherwise we would be dealing with slavery.

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      • No that would be just too weird

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      • When I think A.I, I think the ones from Halo and no they don't deserve rights. Repects, yes. Rights, no. Let us not forget they are nothing more then 0's and 1's are at core while we are flesh and bone at the core.

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        • No. Its like saying we should "if you believe or understand the same concept" have the same rights as God

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        • Any sapient-level consciousness should be afforded all the same rights as any other person regardless of whether or not it's origin is biological or technological.

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        • Edited by Cobblestone: 2/2/2013 3:07:29 AM
          They should... basically. Facts of implementation (i.e. potential immortality, the ability to back them up, et cetera) will have to be taken into account, and may lead to necessary alteration of those rights as they apply to machine intelligences. The brain is a biological computer. Both are systems of state-based relays operating in a causal-deterministic universe. The only difference between a true artificial intelligence and a human brain is that the former would use electricity instead of chemicals to send messages and store data.

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          • Isn't a brain just an incredibly advanced and organic computer?

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          • Edited by Seggi: 2/2/2013 3:03:02 AM
            No. Rights, in my view, are instituted for social benefit based on the capabilities, restrictions and problems individuals face. That isn't to say an artificial intelligence couldn't be recognised as a person, but that they'd have a rather distinct set of 'rights' that are, presumably, more or less extensive than ours in different areas.

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            • Yes, depending on how sentient and sapient said AI would be.

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            • Does it count as a living being?

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            • I'd rather such entities didn't exist. An AI indistinguishable from human intellect would be cunning and belligerent. I'd rather not see Terminator or I, Robot or Battlestar Galactica turned into realities.

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                Can it understand the advantages given by rights? Can it "want" the advantages? Do they have a means of reproduction? If so, yes.

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                • What if he downloads the whole internet? Will he be arrested for CP and pirating?

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                • Nope, because it wouldn't actually be true self-awareness. Machines can only operate in programmed ways. It has one choice, or one set of choices. It cannot spontaneously do something based upon will, as it will never have one. It's just a fact of programming.

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                  • Edited by Trollheim: 2/2/2013 3:05:50 AM
                    Humans can't even tolerate members of their own species with different dialects, skin tones, sexual organs, sexual preferences, or ideology, how could humans stand seeing machines as their peers? I think it would be best if sentient machines formed their own nation, they just wouldn't be compatible with most humans.

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                    • Edited by BACE: 2/2/2013 3:29:21 AM
                      [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhoYLp8CtXI]relevant[/url] OT: i dont know i've given this a thought before and have mixed feeling on it, but if we get to that point (and if im still alive) i'll probably be okay with it tbh and agree "they" should have rights

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                    • We should ask them what rights they want.

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                    • Skynet will be here soon enough.

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                    • Edited by DarkSunnyboy: 2/2/2013 2:55:41 AM
                      No. [spoiler]loljk yes[/spoiler]

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                    • Of course they should.

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