Jav 4, great pvp map, fusion rifles have more kills then snipers. In fact heavy machine guns might of surpassed snipers if Trials was longer.
They need help Bungie
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Frankly it’s insane to me that fusion rifles are in the special slot,they only feel balanced in low skill lobbies but any above average player can abuse those boring weapons.
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Edited by Griever: 8/10/2024 4:49:04 AMSnipers can't OHK unless they're to the head. They flinch like you just got hit by a train Either 60 AA on a sniper for example is nothing, or the zoom and requirement of pinpoint accuracy make it that much harder to use compared to something like Jade Rabbit. Maybe it's just that snipers have basically no bullet magnetism, which even slow moving projectiles like Scorch Cannons have a lot of. Not many maps have long enough sightlines for a sniper to be used the way it's supposed to be used in just about every other game. Of course a fusion, which is basically a burst fire slug shotgun, will have more kills, especially the hard hitters or extremely stable ones with good range like my Glacioclasm with Surplus/ HIReserves, or my Main Ingredient with Under Pressure/ Tap the Trigger. It's A LOT easier to make use of a fusion than a sniper. Hell, like 90% of the shots I will miss with a sniper will be because of flinch, which is damn near impossible to shoot through, or the target starts/ changes how they move right as I line up the shot, as if they just magically know I'm about to shoot in the next 0.2 seconds. And I don't just mean strafing, I mean like "oh look, a penny" kind of missed shots. It gets really old, missing otherwise perfectly accurate shots because of things you can't predict or things that would require impossible reflexes to react to in that time frame.
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3 RepliesSo you’re saying buff Fusions?
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Fusion is just a shotgun you pre-fire. That's why they have high kill counts.
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3 RepliesI'm willing to bet they don't have as many kills as shotguns.
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1 ReplyLook at the most used pvp weapons. Snipers don't even make the list. Almost all hand cannons 2 autos and shotguns. They need to adjust hand cannons so you actually have to aim to get a kill.
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1 ReplySnipers take more skill than fusions and are less forgiving.
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It was the special ammo meter that was killing them Now they feel better But flinch is still too hard rn
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23 RepliesBig facts. I’m just confused as to why Bungie keeps nerfing snipers. They’re literally the riskiest pick out of the 3 main specials (shotguns, fusions, snipes). Like sure, I don’t like being killed by a sniper that I’m flinching crazy hard, but at the same time, snipers are almost useless without Snapshot, and they’re really hard to use without Opening Shot too. Snipers need a higher headshot accuracy cone. I think they’re good on stickiness, but I think they need easier headshots, and they also need faster base ADS speed. That way when you catch someone off guard and they aren’t shooting at you, kills will be easier to secure.
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You’re getting downvoted so rapidly it’s crazy lol the forums full of fusions no surprise there.
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15 RepliesFusions are insane and nobody talks bout it
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And Shotgun has as many kills as Sniper AND Fusion combined. So let's get the perspective right on what's really OP...for the last 6+ years.
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Guardian,Archon Of LightRIP Destiny 9-14-2014 to 2-18-2026 - old
Care to share the Shotgun statistics Then we might get a clearer picture of what "Needs Help" -
What about shotguns?
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Yup fusions do need a nerf
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7 RepliesNo they don’t… snipers ruin games
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I get that the sniper rifle is a classic weapon archetype, much more so than weapons like fusions and traces, but they’re also only really healthy for the game when they kinda suck. Every sniper meta we’ve ever had has been the worst feeling non-stasis experience. Snipers are the antithesis of engagement, and I’m personally glad that not every game is spent fearing turning a corner while the other team is still on the other side of the map
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imo, snipers are fine where they are. getting sniped for peaking a lane or bad positioning in the open, i can take. being sniped through flinch is never fun. i think shotguns are still too prevalent currently, but i have no idea what could be done about them save nuking the range which would be too much of a nerf
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2 RepliesMissed the part why should we care about snipers
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1 ReplyJav-4 is hardly a sniper map…. And if it was, the moment you attempted a snipe on the outside lane, is the only time you will get an attempted shot.
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4 RepliesMaybe they should finally rebuff rapid fires to ridiculous levels. Fusion competing levels. I'm sure everyone would have fun with that.
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5 RepliesWhy would anyone run a sniper when you only get one shot. Sometimes you miss that head shot because of lag and need a double body shot