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4/21/2022 7:47:19 PM
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We get it Bungie, you don't like shotguns.
Might aswell delete shotties from pvp entirely at this point. 2 recent major nerfs for them already, slide nerf, massive range nerf, now like 4 more nerfs with opening shot, full choke, ANOTHER overall range nerf, damage falloff nerf.
Like are you good? Overall usage isn't an indicator of something being "op" in all cases. You get that right? There is a reason shotguns have had the most usage by far since D1.
People enjoy using them. They are the objectively most fun to use special weapon in pvp by the vast majority of players, the least oppressive and annoying to play against and the easiest to avoid due to their laughably low ohk range. They are part of an agressive playstyle.
You literally feed passive sitting back play playstyles with every single sandbox update. "Fusions should have less TWENTY METER oneshot moments now" wow cool. And shotguns are supposed to sit around at 4 meter range values now????
Beyond unbelievable. The people in charge for this are most likely jotun, lord of wolves, lorentz, bastion, fusion spamming dudes who cry about stomp ee5 hunters using their jump button and call that op while they can map ppl with their fusions across the map.
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They hate shotguns but love fusion rifles. Who needs a sniper when you have main ingredient. lol
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Even if shotguns killed with In half a meter people will still manage to cry about them. It's your own situational awarness.
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Amen. Preach! The majority of the player base is scared and seeks out targets mostly with their eyes, when they have a radar. Primaries are in a nice place. Fusions are lazier than shotguns. In the same time to charge, a good shotgunner has made the effort to move to the appropriate place for a 1 hit kill without trading or being left in the open, with rng and nerfs to stability in slide. Slides are very effective against people out of position in a spot where shotguns are in their intended range. They will then return to this place at a later time cause it's "their spot". Fusions cross map people when people aim for the shins and the trade off is an insignificant charge time. It has to be this way so people lacking a skill set in movement on their class, can kill. They practice their positioning, angles, and radar awareness. Which shotgunners also do. Many fusions would otherwise not counter people in time that practiced not being stationary most of the game. But in the hands of someone that understands the game and is use to the charge time ten minutes into its usage... They can be oppressive. You might be tired of seeing so many shotguns, but the people that use them enjoy using them for a host of reasons, despite consistent nerfs. They will remain. And fusions will be obnoxious. Balance is best achieved in this game when people see it's rock, paper, scissors and you have to know when to offer the appropriate counter. I think plenty of primary fights happen when people don't give the person an obvious advantage with their special when they choose bad positions.
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Shotguns are the biggest crutch in the game
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Bro they don't even like their own game or customers. Neglect the stuff that needs correcting but mess with stuff that mostly doesn't need to be messed with.
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2 RepliesThey don't like titans either. They're so-so on hunters. But man do they love Warlocks.
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2 Replies[quote]Might aswell delete shotties from pvp entirely at this point.[/quote] Now you’re talking. Let’s do it Bungie. Then delete Fusions after that.
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What do you think is gonna happen when abilities and special weapons make up the majority of kills in pvp?
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Lmao I like being a cheeky ape as much as the next guy/gal Bungie definitely does not hate shotguns they've been the go to for like 7 out of destiny's 8 years for ease of use and this nerf won't stop chaperone anyway
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I don’t think its gonna be a problem to reach that 4 meter bruh, there is enough mobility and cover in this game that closing the gap is going to take just a little bit more thinking instead of the usual rushing at your enemy in a straight line and getting the one shot off.
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7 RepliesEdited by Artisan: 4/21/2022 9:22:25 PMThe irony of Bungie's years - YEARS - of making them the most used and abused PvP weapon of its history... Check the TWABs PvP info: https://www.bungie.net/pubassets/pkgs/157/157828/TWAB_Special-Weapons-by-Type_1.jpg?cv=3983621215&av=1224318893 Finally there's some actual competition in the way of Fusions, which will probably be dragged down again in the blink of an eye. Competition, yes definitely, an overtake, no - see graph. Glad to see the Shotgun instant OHK crutch and cheese 🧀 knocked down a few pegs. Long overdue. Even more excited to hear of a Stompees nerf FINALLY. Camping out of doors followed by a quick hop, hop, pop was a win-button that looks on paper set to end.
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Edited by rtopz: 4/21/2022 8:49:17 PMConfirmed running wormhusk on hunter with hc and shotty... probably took off stompees to practice for s17
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1 ReplyPOV: You crutched your shotgun too hard.
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Salty PvP user is salty Love how you all tree to hate on fusion but forgot they look at data and shotgun were still the most used 😂 L
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1 ReplyOh no, now you'll have to use a primary...😭
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1 ReplyThey’ll remain the most used special weapon after the nerf, just like every other nerf to them. The maps and movement facilitate shotgun usage too much for them not to be meta.
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1 ReplyEdited by Dredgen Truth: 4/21/2022 10:13:43 PMThe [i]least[/i] oppressive? Dude, all close range weapons are hard nerfed by shotguns mere [i]existence[/i] in this metagame. Any shotgunner with bare minimum positioning skill will be able to get close to you, and if they do, youre dead. Flat out. No avoidance. The reason they are so used isnt because they are "objectively" the most fun, its because theyre objectively the easiest. Every other weapon in the game requires some blend of positioning and gun skill. Shotguns just require positioning. No aim necessary.
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Get good and stop complaining.
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SAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLT
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Oooohhhh noooooo….anyway 😂
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1 Reply[quote]The people in charge for this are most likely jotun, lord of wolves, lorentz, bastion, fusion spamming dudes[/quote] Lord of Wolves is a shotgun, you silly goose.
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100% spot on
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This will do nothing to shotguns. They will still be one of the go to special weapons of the crucible.
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Shotguns did need another nerf it’s a product of map design and player speed and movement shotguns with how destiny works rn is too much no one should be able to be a special weapon main but the nerf wasn’t that severe if a meter nerf throws you off that much you weren’t very good to begin with
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1 ReplyIt'll be fine. Maps are small and Guardians are way too fast. They can close the gap amd get their one shot kill.
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Plenty of other things you could(should) be more upset with but fair enough. To each their own.
