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8/17/2021 1:10:36 PM
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Bungie It's time to respect ALL of the SOLO players!

Not everyone are fortunate enough to have their own clan or fire-team that can assist in matters outside their own interest, whether it's a older Raid, Dungeon or Higher difficulty Nightfall. Some people just lack friends to begin with. Some like it that way others don't. But that is not the point. Bungie, it's time you got of your high horse and gave something back to the solo players, give us the possibility to matchmake older content, like the Shattered throne, Gos, Pit of Heresy and so on. There are so much content and like myself we have only skimmed the surface at this point. The whole idea with a RPG or MMORPG is to have the fair chance to increase in stats and OBTAIN better gear without have the need for a private army of players. I can bet my bottom dollar on that the playerbase would increase if Bungie would open some more doors to the casual and single players out there. I have tried many time to solo Pit of heresy and i seem not be able to finish it. Why? Really bad stat armor and lackluster weapons to begin with. I watched a guy on Youtube that wasted över 8000 legendary shards on Master Rahool just to see what he could get. I have never even been closed 8000 shards in the first place. Every piece that need upgrades demands so much grind that i feel it's not worth it. But with a Matchmaking feature for the dungeons people would jump in , i certain of it. There are always people that want to make a run, and others can follow. No it's not the same as "guided" because this is matchmade and most people already know the route. Just like Presage, i have run the mission so many times, just to end up getting obliterated in the end because of Sh*tty loot drops with bad stats and unfair RNG. People run Crucible, Gambit and Nightfalls just to get better gear to be able to advance to high end content like VOG. There are so many out there that never will reach that far. Much because of the strict policy of the "elitist" players. And that will make Destiny veteran players drop of one by one. But i guess that will never happen, cause if more players would flock to the servers Bungie would have a real meltdown and upgrading the hardware will never occur, cause why mend something that is already broken? It's a real shame, so much content and much of it just wasted away instead for people to enjoy! You wan't to grow in number Bungie? UNLOCK MATCHMAKING FOR MORE CONTENT Those who claim that will ruin the experience seem not to have played public events like Blind Well, Altars of Sorrow and Override. The work just flawless without people chatting on mic or typing messages. Destiny is so broken and glitchy, and when you have to find other ways to play this type content the way it's not sopposed to be played. That right there says everything. You want new raid gear, well if you can't get a fireteam together, either use a "boost service" or "glitch the game to skip segments to reach the bosses. Those that feel they belong to the elite player group, well you have all the PVP, GM NF and VOG that you can play on the hardest difficulty and brag about. I'm talking about just getting a fresh start with some decent loot so even a solo player can manage Presage on their own. Maybe that is to much to ask for. Everything in this game cost materials, and without material you can not upgrade. Try getting ascendant shards without doing raids or dungeons. Bungie open the door and let the players in for once!

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  • it is funny to see, how the ppl who want new improvements to the game with MM are the most reasonable and chill, while the ppl forcing us to use LFG tools are the most vile and toxic haters ,who believe they are the best, wondering why we dont want to use discords and other LFGs, take 1 guess why, this thread shows exactly that.

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  • I completely agree! It hurts nobody for them to open up MM for these activities. It only brings good to the games population and would motivate solo player retention.

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  • The Destiny community is against you having the option because they think it'll change their experience somehow ... I blame millenials.

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    • There are plenty of people on all platforms willing to teach raids and dungeons if you're open about wanting to learn them.

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      • Edited by Natdeguerre: 8/19/2021 12:51:29 PM
        I’d call Destiny a shared world shooter with some very light rpg elements. At least that was the original idea that drew me to the game. The more recent mmorpg like directions that borrowed from games like WoW never sat well with me. Thankfully that mostly went into the raids, which I couldn’t care less about. For most of the regular content, I would really like an opt in, opt out feature for matchmaking. Things like Dungeons, exotic quests and NFs can work very well without verbal communication once the play through is known. Sometimes I like trying them out on my own, other times I like to have help. It should really be part of the game, not a tagged on app feature. The app works, but it’s a little clumsy. Bungie has made some solo content in the recent past, some of it enjoyable like this season’s expunge missions, some of it rather tedious like the solo lost sector option, but I think they are aware that a good part of their player base likes to play on their own. They also have eased off on the grind for upgrade materials. We have more avenues now to acquire them then when they originally doubled down on cores etc. I think it has gotten better in that regard. Ofc the longer you play the easier it gets to accumulate stuff. You should get the season pass and try to get the seasonal weapons. There are some gems in there both exotic and legendary, either of which can be fairly easily earned. The pass also gives you extra materials. Don’t listen to the haters. It’s a game, it should be fun, not a burden.

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      • I play solo most of the time. Just use lfg and 99% of the time it's fine🤷‍♂️. I actually prefer that it's not built into the game. That way I can look at lfg on my phone while sorting my gear out in game, or grab a drink, or take a number 2 etc. Having said that, I think every activity should have optional MM. Not because I think it's a good idea, but more to show people how utterly ridiculous a MM raid/GM NF would play out.

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      • I agree. I d'say that matchmaking for raid should be available. Now, some dungeons can be done alone (Presage is one of these) but the most interesting ones (shattered Throne and Prophecy) can hardly be played solo-mode. So, here we are. About the drop, I agree. Nightfall master-grade drop far better weapons and armor, and all the players should be able to have access to them. Drop for crucible and gambit is actually not a big deal if you look at raids pinnacle drop or dungeon. Players wich have no clan or fireteam are cut off from the most useful drops, and from the most funny part of the game

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        • Another “I can’t be as**d to use lfg or discord and wan’t everything to be easier” post. 🤦‍♂️ Go play a single player game designed for single players. If you play a multiplayer game then expect endgame content to require multiple players.

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          • As somebody who used to play explicitly solo I’ve found the amount of willing and helpful people immense my flawless Garden team was all lfg other than my friend and you can find good teams that can teach/carry endgame content I think menagerie kind of activists are good but matchmaking dungeons isn’t a bad idea

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          • A poor craftsmen blames his tools...

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            • I’d like to see a little less shade thrown my way, as a solo player. I only have about 4800 hours in it, so I know how to eat corn flakes without choking, at least.

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            • The MMO part of MMORPG is Massive Multiplayer online. So use LFG and suck it up.

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              • Oh boy did i opened up a can of worms! "On a side note, i made this topic because i'm not alone in this with these kind of issues, and to just watch this thread blow up as it has, pretty made my point" The ice has broken and people are actually having a discussion, at point heated but still fair. That to me is a good leg to stand on further down the line! Cause if this is not taken care of it will increase and make even more players frustrated! To those of you that have looked up my profile and shout "play with your clan" Well many of them are offline, some just aim for GMNF,Crucible, Gambit and VOG. Do not want to holding hands in way way older raids and dungeons that they already have gotten through and mastered That is content i can not even apply for as my level is to low! I have glitched VOG however to get the "free" chests, but that is about it. So what is ruining the experience? Matchmaking or Glitching and break the game completely? I think many of you "team-players" should give Solo players the benefit of the doubt, we may be inept to achieve "Pride and Accomplishment" but we are far from stupid! And most people even newer players know by now what a RAID is and that it takes effort and time! Not even matchmade players would be stupid enough to try to hit a Raid head on without DD like Youtube and other stuff. And where is the harm to try new stuff out. If Destiny does not evolve, other games will grab more and more players! One more thing, do people even contemplates language difficulties or speech impairment? There are a lot of players that love games and gaming but do not understand or can make themselves understood. But they still kick-ass in game. Should all these people be excluded because they can not team up? Just my 2C on the matter at hand!

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                • I can run pretty much anything solo, I consider myself a relatively solo player due to the times I play. I can do presage solo sub 20 mins Harbinger, easy Shattered throne, easy Legend NFs, not terrible I have 10k legendary shards I think you need to adjust loadouts and optimize your builds for solo play Or Take 5 mins to LFG a group. Even I know when to fold and LFG a group.

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                  • Edited by Artisan: 8/17/2021 5:20:22 PM
                    It's not just lack of matchmaking in certain activities, it's lack of Freelance modes, even more critically it's the LACK OF GAME-SCALING. This leads soloplaying to be an unwanted, non-optional extra difficulty setting. Much of the game is FAR easier in set fireteams and DELIBERATELY made overly difficult for one player. Then there's the loot, removing EVEN THE OPTION to get the best versions of loot in the game, no Adept weapon at all, no Adept mods, no Adept Big Ones. Yet they're happy to specifically advertise it as solo-playable in multiplayer format but in reality only co-operative format is privileged. And they're happy to take your money, year in, year out. They want a) your friends playing and paying them and/or b) you tied into remaining in clans, playing more, and so ultimately paying more. And for them to exploit players with these deliberate tactics, they don't mind at all being known as deliberately ripping off those players with such crude exploitative barriers.

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                    • All they need is an in game lfg then

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                      • It's interesting to read [b](a lot)[/b] of the replies on here, and some wonder why others don't want to use LFG or even join a clan because I for sure would never want to run any activity with any of the ones that only came on this post to insult the OP and tried to pretend they know best. You guys are the problem with the destiny community and that is a fact, not the OP in spite of what the OP posted that most of you focused on. Adding something that would be a benefit to many players is not a bad thing, but it's mindboggling how many are on this post trying to put it out to be a "bad thing".

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                        • all I'm hearing right now from you is laziness and whining. Whaaaa me want everything that everyone else has because I'm a solo gamer and I don't play with fellow gamers, so I want everything cool in the game but I'm not gonna work hard for it. Lazy slob, how about you stop being a social outcast and communicate with other people. It's not hard at all to find other people to play with.

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                          • Tell me what does MMO mean

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                            • Or maybe it’s time to realize how easy it is to find a group and do the activities that require a group? Hmm.

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                              • Edited by Spyder_Z_Prime: 8/17/2021 7:39:20 PM
                                I feel ya OP, I was a solo player up until D1. But I wanted some of the high end loot, bit the bullet, and joined an LFG. It’s built into the game. The idea behind it is “The more peeps you have to play with, the less likely you’ll sideline this game for other ones.” Psychology and marketing 101. After that came the clan push. I only started a clan because I and my peeps at the time (D1 to D2) didn’t wanna deal with clan politics. Bungie was pushing clans and the rewards so we made one. In fact our whole thing is come and go as you please, no requirements whatsoever. Sometimes that means there’s no one to play with. Be what it be. No complaints. (If you’re on PlayStation, lemme know, and I’ll send invite. You’re welcome to stay until you find something better. 😉) I will say, LFG has gotten bad of late. “Know what to do” has somehow become “I was carried, they glitched it, that was fixed, & now I don’t know the legit way but since I have a completion I consider that ‘kwtd’.” Not a fan of LFG but I know some peeps have luck. I’d rather have peeps tell me off the bat they don’t know an encounter. Then I have zero expectations and have a lot of patience teaching. The one thing I can’t agree with you on, OP, is Presage… Even 20 below recommended LL and without breach and clear during last season I was able to beat it solo. Took a few tries and loadout mixing but it’s not that brutal. There aren’t even champions. (Last room for me = Sunspot Titan heals on kills, Hallowfire Heart, solar secondary preferably a scout, arc heavy preferably a machine gun for downstairs, aggressive SMG primary, battle strat is attrition and using cover. Hit and run boss from both sides of the room.) Hope that helps. But if you want help running it and the catalyst, I’d be glad to lend a hand. 🙂

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                              • [quote] UNLOCK MATCHMAKING FOR MORE CONTENT Those who claim that will ruin the experience seem not to have played public events like Blind Well, Altars of Sorrow and Override. The work just flawless without people chatting on mic or typing messages.[/quote] Blind Well, Altars of Sorrow and Override are pretty self-explanatory activities with simple to no mechanics. The mechanics in dungeons and raids are a little more complex than those activities and actually require communication and coordination, things some randoms and inexperienced players absolutely refuse to do in this game. The only people advocating for in-game matchmaking for stuff like raids are typically people with no raid experience who are looking for a free carry. It doesn’t take very long to find a Sherpa willing to teach a new player the raid, and it takes even less time to use the Find Fireteam section to find more players for various activities.

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                                • I’m a solo player and I feel your pain. This is why I’ve been practicing with solo’ing some content. It’s very liberating when you complete activities that was meant for a team. But it would be nice to have the match making option.

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                                • I find it odd people would downvote the option of matchmaking content. If someone wants to risk issues with random people, let them, we do it all the time for strikes, nightfalls, PVP and Gambit.. why NOT a dungeon? Why would we assume someones goal isnt alligned with our own to complete content that has had hundreds of walkthroughs available?

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                                  • I love when I get McDonalds late at night and they throw in free apple pies. Just saying.

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                                  • [quote]There are so much content and like myself we have only skimmed the surface at this point.[/quote] Actually, there really isn't that much content especially now knowing Bungie removed half the content in this game. Even then most of the loot in this game is either junk loot or loot not worth the time acquiring. [quote]The whole idea with a RPG or MMORPG is to have the fair chance to increase in stats and OBTAIN better gear without have the need for a private army of players.[/quote] The problem here is, destiny has no identity and 7 years later Bungie still doesn't know what the game is. I do... [spoiler]A circus that doesn't have funny clowns.[/spoiler] [quote]I can bet my bottom dollar on that the playerbase would increase if Bungie would open some more doors to the casual and single players out there.[/quote] This is actually true and in D1 that Bungie was more than willing to work with solo/casual players. Since Bungie refuses to add optional matchmaking, I wonder how high the turnover is with the new light system becase a lot of players leaving the game. [quote]Just like Presage, i have run the mission so many times, just to end up getting obliterated in the end because of Sh*tty loot drops with bad stats and unfair RNG.[/quote] Do you mean the RNG that is manipulated that Bungie can adjust anytime they want to, as they have shown many times in the past 7 years when it comes to drop rates, and deliberately creating bad stats to drop more often than not? Now, even if Bungie adds optional matchmaking? It's still not going to fix the poorly designed loot system The RNG manipulation The bad drop rates The crapy stats that are designed to drop more often than not The overdone duplactes The absurd amount of junk loot The broken champions/mods, and whatever other issues Bungie literally caused. But it will make all that less stressful 👍

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