YOU ARE AMAZING and I'm sure you are a breath of fresh air for Bungie! Thank you so much for being nice about voicing your opinion! This is one of the few posts (or just, strings of though, for that matter) that I've read and NOT felt angry about! Have a blessed day! And to be honest, I like where the meta is right now! I usually chalk up big defeats to bad team tactics on my part, or just mistakes I made in engagements, but I don't pay enough attention to metas to really know :p, but even if I disagree, I'm glad we can agree that we want the best for the community and players!

*sighs, sips coffee*

I think we can all agree on all of the things you mentioned. We certainly need some new maps, especially some bigger maps designed for 6v6 and long range play. We need some new modes for sure. They need to unvault all the maps that were removed. Separate ADS/hip-fire sensitivity. Iron Banner needs a complete rework, it's just a shell of what it was in D1. Comp needs unique loot to make it worth the effort, and maybe rotate some competitive game modes besides just survival. I can't think of any downsides to any of this.

Just remove all perks and mods from gear in crucible. White gear all arounbd, no advantages in any way :) Fair and balanced.

God forbid they unify. All the hc, shotgun, snipers sweats dictating how bungie nerfs anything fun? Oh wait they already do that....

[quote]"As a Warlock main I believe hunters are too over..", "Titans are F** broken" "Icarus dash needs a nerf" etc etc etc. We've all seen these similar statements across the board in pvp related talks around the forums and on reddit, I too used to be guilty of this type of behaviour too. But honestly lets be real guys we all who love PvP, want to see it in a better place at the end of the day. The one thing the PvP community isn't, as opposed to the PvE community, is "United"; we are only interested in talking about what interests us or our opinions, and the reality of it is that comments made with such personalized motives behind them will never gain enough traction to make Bungie push out those changes we need as a community. Its easier said than done, because as opposed to PvE their will always be winners at the expense of losers, resulting in people being toxic and salty. We need to rally together for the sake of improving the current state of PvP for all of us, we need to get the ball rolling and support for changes that will benefit this community as a whole and not dish out personalized changes that are completely biased. We need to rally for a better trials experience for everyone, a stronger crackdown for cheaters, more endgame PvP content aside from trials (ex. Comp playlist its been dead and not worth the grind ever since Not Forgotten was sunset) We need to rally for more maps, bringing back gamemodes such as rift. No matter how you slice it the PvP needs a lot more, too all the players that have played bungies classic Halo trilogy, the amount of gamemodes it had (Big team slayer, king of the hill etc.) We can complain about balance of classes and weapons till the cows come home, but to no avail. But what about the endgame? Why not anything worth running through the comp playlist for? if not pinnacle weapons, why not Comp playlist based armor? why not adept versions of Crucible themed weapons brought back? like they did with D1 weapons for Nightfalls? why not Adept weapons for Iron banner perhaps? why not a 6v6 or a 4v4 competitive type playlist, kinda like trails of the nine along with Trials of osiris? (can bring back the Trials of the nine weapons with random rolls and adept versions of them with some new armor or ornaments?) We can always talk about balance of classes and guns but sadly we all know the pvp community is too toxic and biased when it comes to those. Perhaps we can push for a playlist that is designed to test future patch changes out, like Bungie did for a short amount of time? better matchmaking? How about a crucial one such as not being able to change controller sensitivity for hip fire/ads/long scope/short scope separately? I honestly don't doubt that I will get some snarky stuck up toxic replies to this post regardless of what I have spoken, but honestly I just want the PvP experience to be better for all of us, not just me, not just for warlocks (that I actually do main) I want it to be for hunters and titans too, I want to see hunters maybe get bones of eao, radiant dance machines back, want to see titans have twilight garrison, helm of inmost light again, would love to see nothing manacles/voidfang vestments back etc. So please I encourage anyone of this post to promote positivity for the whole PvP community and not just make cocky toxic comments pls. If you like of the suggestions or ideas I've thrown out for us, please comment below or if you have your own ideas, or would like to expand on any of the above, please comment and lets get this post noticed by Bungie hopefully! Thanks for reading <3[/quote] Wrong community for dat sheeit.

If people played more than just their main they’d actually see how the other classes are js

shouldn't hard to obtain unity with all 6 players

I would love to see this happen but theres too many scumbags and crybabies in the destiny community for it to be possible

I upvoted you because that was a well-written post and deserves to be upvoted, but the fact of the matter is that even though you're right, what you're proposing is never going to happen. The issue is that PvPers need unity, but they don't want unity. They need weapon balance but they don't want weapon balance, they want their one preferred loadout to be ridiculously overpowered and everything else to suck. They need class balance but they don't want class balance, they want their preferred subclass tree to be meta and everything else to be bad. They need fair and competitive games but they don't want fair and competitive games, they want their team to be stacked with no-lifes and matched against clueless blueberries every game. Because of this, as long as we have 30+ subclass tree options and zillions of weapons in the game, PvP will never be in a state the playerbase as a whole says is good. And we're going to keep getting "X is OP" and "wtf nerf Y" threads until the end of eternity, because the average PvPer is far more concerned about what benefits them specifically than what would benefit the game as a whole and make Crucible as a whole a better place to be for the entire playerbase.

No, pvp on destiny is tied to a looter shooter. There should be no endgame mode as trials is dead and full of cheaters,try hards and paid carries. There should be 2 modes arcade mode with no stat tracking and iron banner for the endgame,that is it. You can not have any resemble of balance in a looter shooter if pvp is attached. Only time yo u can have it different is if the sandboxes are separate,but that aint gunna happen.

Impossible. Due to human nature. Too many differing opinions even though they're clearly wrong and people's tendency to exploit the ever living shit out of the most broken or meta thing currently in game.

https://youtu.be/n7eJRYM6Fjk nomad makes a lot of good similar points

I understand you want the community to be United but it won't. Too many people want different things. This game as a hybrid model? It will never double down on any one aspect that it covers. People want X while others want y and the rest want z. You can't even get a lot of players to agree on basic fundamental aspects of what makes a game good. You can't even get people to sit down and agree on what is destiny's identity. It's a tough road and I wish you Godspeed. Many just pick up and move on because this game has changed so many times, those who want to remain loyal to it just feel dissociated. Good luck

I feel you. I do. I want unity too. But there is too many differences as of now. Even ascendant nomad is acknowledging the state of the pvp community as...well...bad. I hope we can change as a collective.