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7/5/2021 6:09:20 PM
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Yes....because you understand how balance works....
And how a live service game requires a change in weapons...
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Because going from one to another of the same type or frame really makes a difference.
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What do you mean ?
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Destiny roates around the same 50-60 weapons as reskins of each other. Forcing change is pointless.
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So you think skins is the same as stats and perks?
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If I slapped on a suppressor in Cod, altered my weapon's range and handling stats, and called it a "different" weapon, you'd really think they truly were?
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[quote]Yes....because you understand how balance works...[/quote] I do, yes [quote]And how a live service game requires a change in weapons...[/quote] Except weapons were already being changed?
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New weapons while still having access to older really good weapons creates power creeps so weapon just become more and more powerfull...cards games for that too and that's why the tournament rules are always only the couple latest sets A live game need a different way to approach balancing unlike a game that's 1 and some of have some DLC (Diablo ,borderland,outriders) and even these games had huge nerf to OP ability
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If you seriously believe in this power creep bs then sure do as you wish. However comparing ability nerfs to other games like borderlands i have a serious issue with. Unfortunately for you borderlands did not nerf their own abilities to the ground like bungie did. This game is complete ass when compared to games where companies actually believed in fun. Borderlands for example yes did nerf some abilities however these abilities are still fully functional and were only tweaked. Not nerferd severely. The game still is fun and i can still feel powerful while playing compared to this game where nerfing everything that makes the game fun is a -blam!-ing sport. The game will not survive on this.
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....sure only take half of what I said to make your point....
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[quote]New weapons while still having access to older really good weapons creates power creeps so weapon just become more and more powerfull[/quote] Not at all, power creep is created when the new stuff is continuously stronger then the old. How does the ability to use older stuff in any way create power creep? The opposite in fact - if power creep existed no one would have used those older options since the newer ones would be better?
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and what the point of using the new stuff if the old is still the best? That's the main reason behind sunset....and why They did it...even back in D1 with TTK release
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[quote]and what the point of using the new stuff if the old is still the best?[/quote] 1. Old stuff isn't "the best" it's simply just as good as the new. 2. What's the point of using new stuff? A ton of reasons, new perks or perk combos, preffered roll you had drop, wanting a fresh experience, preffered anesthetic or audio, preffered way of grind (pvp vs pve) or for collection reasons. I mean we can look at the reality; New gear was used even when older options were just as strong - dire promise despite spare rations, summoner despite gnawing hunger, Astral horizon despite mindbenders, eye of sol despite beloved, sacred providence despite blast furnace, etc All saw grind and use despite older options being just as good... [quote]That's the main reason behind sunset....and why They did it...even back in D1 with TTK release[/quote] That was done for completely different reasons, Y1 was pre-infusion system and was difficult to recode, also bungie wanted to move away from elemental legendary primaries
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Your 1st argument is false....why you think everyone crying on wanting black memory weapon back or menagerie weapon .... Always having to 1 up the previous weapons/perk is what create power creep...or they make weapon that aren't worth the grind
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[quote]Your 1st argument is false....why you think everyone crying on wanting black memory weapon back or menagerie weapon ...[/quote] Because people enjoyed those weapons makes them too strong? What kind of logic is that? People love blast furnace, kindled orchid, etc and want them back but in no way were those weapons stronger then what we have now lol [quote]Always having to 1 up the previous weapons/perk is what create power creep...or they make weapon that aren't worth the grind[/quote] Except they didn't 1 up the previous weapons, they made the new stuff the same and yet it saw tons of grind and use despite that - this community love to grind, toss anything thats part of a good archetype with a solid perk pool and people will chase it - regardless of the old stuff they may or may not have
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You are lying to yourself if you think the black armorry weapon weren't top tier Except for that warmind seasons....there was 0 reason to grind since ikelos weapon are better than seraph...and seasons that peoples grinder is because there was something better...
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[quote]You are lying to yourself if you think the black armorry weapon weren't top tier Except for that warmind seasons....there was 0 reason to grind since ikelos weapon are better than seraph...and seasons that peoples grinder is because there was something better...[/quote] BA weapons weren't top tier - they're just as good as plenty of other options, I can't think of a single BA gun I'd consider "top tier"
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[quote]You are lying to yourself if you think the black armorry weapon weren't top tier Except for that warmind seasons....there was 0 reason to grind since ikelos weapon are better than seraph...and seasons that peoples grinder is because there was something better...[/quote] Black armory weapons absolutely weren't close to top tier lol - the best from them - kindled orchard, blast furnace and hammerhead were all solid sure, but they're just as good as any other cannon, pulse or lmg Also ikelos weapons had nothing to do with black armory so????
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I compared ikelos to seraph..... And you either lying to yourself about BA weapons or had no ideas How great they were
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[quote]I compared ikelos to seraph..... And you either lying to yourself about BA weapons or had no ideas How great they were[/quote] There are plenty of good seventh serpah weapons so huh? The lmg, smg, hand cannon and shotty are all great
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If you think so
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[quote]I compared ikelos to seraph.....[/quote] And they're the exact same? Only 1 ikelos weapon sees use with warmind mods - the smg, which is just as good as the serapg smg so???? [quote]And you either lying to yourself about BA weapons or had no ideas How great they were[/quote] Or you have no clue what you're talking about. Yeah let's go with that since it's obvious, name 1 BA weapon that didn't have a similar gun that was just as good. I'll wait.
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You want me to tell you what made BA weapons so good when you don't even know the difference between ikelos and seraph smg? Just to make it simple they had unique combination of perk while having excellent overall stats....
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Edited by Haunter: 7/6/2021 3:39:24 AM[quote]You want me to tell you what made BA weapons so good when you don't even know the difference between ikelos and seraph smg?[/quote]Where did I say I didn't know the difference? The literal only difference is thier archetype of rpm, you want to pretend that's a game changer or do you recognize that for all intents and purposes the same? [quote]Just to make it simple they had unique combination of perk while having excellent overall stats....[/quote] LOL so nothing made them super strong like I said right? Name ANY Ba gun and I can list weapons that are on par with them. Ready to take your L yet or want to keep going?
