People who are crap at PvP are the main complainers. They can't take losing and aren't willing to improve. For some reason, they just want every 1v1 and match to be thrown in their favour without effort. I enjoy facing top players. Sure, I'll get stomped, but I learn counters and how to actually play more effectively. After all, it's PvP, the goal is to kill. Note: I myself, am not a great PvP player.

"not every match in a casual gamemode is a tryhard championship" FOR YOU I mean wtf - why is this so hard to understand for you? IF you are a Top 10% player you normally play in a 5-15% skill gap (50% are better, 50% are worse than you) with CBMM you play against 10% better players and 90% worse players ---> "not every match in a casual gamemode is a tryhard championship" yes FOR YOU Now look at below average players: a 70% player previously played against 65-75% players Now he plays against 70% better and 30% worse enemies where the better enemies COMPLETELY destroy him --> EVERY match in a casual gamemode is a tryhard championship for him now

A simple thought experiment shines a light on this, for better or for worse. Just imagine if every mode had two options, sbmm or cbmm. Each player could choose for themselves. What you would choose and how you'd feel about it is indicative of your true motivations on this. I think: - Low to moderate / improving skill players would largely go to sbmm and never look back. They probably aren't really hung up on a little lag, and figure it is well worth having an even-ish match. I'd guess this is probably 60-70% of the population (although not 60-70% of crucible usage). - Players that truly believe that lag and wait time are the main concerns would choose cbmm. Wait times would probably be longer than now since the pool of players would be smaller due to large numbers choosing sbmm, but since the focus of the match making is based on connection, it would be better than sbmm-for-all and I think it would be satisfactory for those players. - If you don't fall into either of those groups and dislike the whole idea of having both, then I think what you really want is to force low / moderate skill players to be matched with you so you can run through them. Just own it. Beating other players is what pvp is all about, and beating people easily is fun. Having all the players you can actually easily beat sequestered away from you is frustrating. You worked hard to climb to a high elevation, only to have the floor raise up under you, preventing access to everything you worked to master. But those easy kills are other players and they like getting kills and beating people too. Sbmm allows everyone to get some kills, win some matches, and have some fun. But if that isn't enough for you and you want to own all the time, that burden should be on you. Not on some lower skill level player expected to waste their time feeding you easy kills. It is not an easy issue to solve, but dumping everyone into cbmm and letting Shaxx sort 'em out seems like a dead-end to me.

You should stream your matches because we all really really care how well you can stomp noobs and scrubs. Way to go man...you are special.

Hunter main, mountaintop and sidearm.. sword for most likely 3peeking. Sounds more like you're glad you can pubstomp and sweat against casual players to pad your K/D, but hey.

Grinded hours of crucible last season in the last two weeks, I had tons of fun and no connection issues. I played 8, games of pvp for the power levels this season and I'm not going back. It was the least fun I've had in pvp across any game, including halo 5. I was getting farmed for half the games and the 2 games I didn't get farmed I was getting triple teamed but whatever the best auto rifles are. I can't improve off of these games when I can barely leave spawn. I won't be going back to crucible until SBMM is back. I prefer a proper challenge, not bullshit pvp unbroken sweats stomping casual lobbies to pad their precious Kds. I'm not great, but I still had fun when I was against people of equal to slightly higher or lower skill levels

Nope, disagree. Back to running into groups of unbroken sweats stomping everything again. Nice for them, rubbish for rest of player base. The only people who hated sbmm were those who hated the challenge of facing players of same skill. Its back to crap games for the average fun player now, so enjoy those queues, cos there will be far less casuals for you to stomp soon enough as we all avoid crucible. Just like before.

While your spoiler is true, it’s not universal. Some of us have been playing for years, are older, and don’t have the time to dedicate to get better. So we suffer trying to do bounties, IB, or stupid catalyst quests. And it is true that most, not all, better players enjoy it because they can drop 50’s and smash weaker players. I know this because several in my clan are those players and they’re all beaming with joy they don’t have to try and can “chill” and dump on people.

Till you go against people who go 43-0 [spoiler]Me, I went 43-0[/spoiler] SBMM prevents this to lower skilled players

Yeah, it's a lot of fun facing stacks and getting absolutely steamrolled because your blueberries CAN'T CAPTURE ZONES.

You're are joking ? I played my first Crucible match last week for a long time, had full ammo going into the game, landed in the game with ONE shotgun shell and ONE grenade for the launcher. Fired them both off and that was it, no ammo around, get killed, respawn with ONE shell and ONE grenade, get killed by someone who you don't see, what's the point. Bungie put so much emprises on the Crucible that they need to address the problems in the match ie full of cheaters.

Yeah great job bungie now all the casual players are sunsetting crucible

In other words, the game is only fun when you have poor players to rolfstopm. It is not fun when you play people as good as you are? Shows just what kind of person you really are, not a nice one. SBMM is the only fair way to organize PVP! Anything else you are throwing new players and less skilled players to the wolves.