Honestly I think the harder bit of getting Luna's is completing the quest steps rather than just reaching fabled. Case and point, took me a day to get to fabled on a friend's account, but it took me another day to finish off the steps to where I left him off around 3100-3200 with a new Luna. Just take a break. We'll get to where we want to be at some point, so there's no sense in rushing it. And really, if it's not any fun then don't do it, no matter what potential of gratification there is.

I've been trying the same this season and kept dropping back down from the end of fabled 3 to heroic 3. I've wanted to give up a lot of times too. I think the main way to look at it is not to view it as a job, don't play to win, play for fun. I think the reason we like video games so much is the sense of accomplishment you get, where in real life you may not feel that as much. You can also do whatever you want and have full freedom you don't have in real life.

[quote]If it’s not fun, why bother?[/quote]

it’s the xbox, not the game

For me it’s entertainment. Just like movies, shows, and books. It’s all a distraction. I am occupying myself with irrelevant nonsense until I am dead.

First and foremost, video games are a form of entertainment, and art. So their value is defined in the same way as those two things: Entertainment: The act of providing or being provided with amusement or enjoyment. Art: The expression or application of creative skill and imagination, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. So basically, video games have three different bases for value - enjoyment, beauty, and/or emotional power. If a game doesn't provide people with at least one of those three things, it has failed. Tl;dr: Does a game entertain you? Do you find the game beautiful? Does the game provoke strong emotional responses? If you answered 'no' to all three of those questions, you should stop playing that game, and find a different one.

[quote]I just uninstalled Destiny today, out of rage at not being able to reach fabled and get luna's. I've been trying since last season. I even got as high as 2000 glory, and would have gotten the gun had I waited for reset, but I had to have it then and there, and I played another match, then another. Lost them all. Now its out of reach again. I know how petty and pathetic this all sounds, but I've just had it, you know? Before actually removing the game, I hesitated. I believe that giving up is not a good trait, and its always better to keep on keeping on. But I thought to myself "what intrinsic value does this game have?" A thought I've thought many times before, but never really acted on. What value does pursuing a digital, transient reward have on my life? In any sense? One could say I derive pleasure from the reward, or the vain satisfaction of holding a digital trinket above the heads of my digital friends. Perhaps if comp brought me some sort of pleasure or fun, it might be worth it. But even the people I play it with are either in the same situation as myself, or are trying to help me despite having attained it themselves. No one really has any fun. All the grinding, the pursuit, it is not satisfying. It is infuriating. Galling that so many find such a reward so easy, so attainable, while I sweat my late 20s ass off. Wishing I had both the talent or the reflexes of better gamers. But even assuming I derived meaningful pleasure from the game, the amount of time I spend playing it is grossly disproportionate to any benefit such a pleasure could give. What intrinsic value exists in such a pursuit? It appears to be very little. Therefore, I seems to me that quitting is not ignoble as I am not throwing aside something that could bring possible good to my own life or the lives of others. I dunno. I'm just ranting. Its late. I do sometimes have worthwhile fun with clan mates doing non competitive activities. Fun that is stain with constant frustration. Maybe I'll even reinstall. Not that any of you care, not that I should care. Just grow up and move on, thats what I should do...[/quote] [quote]I just uninstalled Destiny today[/quote] Why do I feel like you made this whole post just to say that? Just make a lazy ama like a normal person dangit

I've been grinding my way through comp, it's pretty chill honestly. The best advice I can give is to never let a game get under your skin that much, also try communicating with your team. It's bizarre to do till you get used to it.

The same could be asked of anything unrelated to survival basic survival. Heck, the same could be asked about life itself. I've been to Kobe, Japan and eaten Kobe beef prepared before me by a professionally trained tempanyaki chef. What good does it do me now as the flavor has long sense left my tonge (which is currently preoccupied with the hot dog I had for lunch). I've been to the Acropolis. People might see that as meaningful, but what value does it have as I stand here in my kitchen sipping black tea? It's just a picture in my head. I can see the Acropolis anytime online. What's the difference? "[i]Ah, but the difference is that you were actually there. The difference is your memories of it are real.[/i]" But there's the thing, our memories are rarely 100% accurate. Ask two people what happened in a car accident and you'll get two stories, both of which are "true" in the minds of the speaker. So what value is there in a flawed picture I conjure up in my mind? Intrinsically speaking, none. But therein lies the answer. "Value" is not an intrinsic thing, it's extrinsic. The value of something comes entirely from you. I value my memories of the Acropolis. I treasure the memory of that Kobe beef. And that memory of a battle to the death with a dragon? That brings me joy. Did it happen? Likely not ... but then again, did I REALLY visit the Acropolis? Have I every REALLY been to Japan? ... does it matter? To you? No. But to me? [b] [/b] If you don't find value in the grind, then it's meaningless. If you every got anything out of it though, it has at least some worth. How much is up to you.

Video [b][i][u]GAME[/u][/i][/b]. Aren’t games supposed to be fun? Enjoyment? Leisure? Cathartic? Once a game is no-longer that, it ceases to be a game and becomes a job. A chore. An obligation. What more productive crafts and hobbies and activities can you be enjoying than playing Destiny? In an interview with Joseph Staten a loooong time ago, when asked the question: how can one become a better or good writer, he replied “Stop (or limit) playing video games.”

What value isn't subjective?

I play some games because the art, soundtrack, or story is really good. [spoiler][b][i]INDIE RPGS BRÖTHER[/i][/b][/spoiler]

Get skyrim

Bump so I can respond later.

Video games are a hobby. Unless you want to make a career out of it, it shouldn’t be a priority.

For me video games value is being a fun and relaxing way to unwind. It’s entertainment first and foremost. Which is why I now avoid overly grindy games. I’m not a fan of grinding in games or watching meaningless numbers go up. I usually play single player games which either have a strong narrative focus or a strong exploration focus. I have been sucked in by grindy looter shooter, “live service” games in the past (like Density) but I generally don’t like the way they make me feel. The feel kind of manipulative - like they’re deliberately designed to keep me playing. I also don’t like the way you’re never enjoying the moment but are instead focused on some end goal to achieve - like a number or a weapon you’re working towards. And that end goal is always just out of reach. So now I try to focus on games that are more rewarding in the moment. Games with a strong narrative focus that have a beginning a middle and most importantly an end. I find I enjoy them much more. Those sorts of games the value is in the story, the world building and the enjoyment of the minute to minute gameplay. The value of games for me is entertainment. Not in chasing meaningless goals and weapons.

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Video games are supposed to be fun, rewarding, challenging or any combination of the three. If you're not getting any of those in a game I don't see a reason to continue playing.