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Edited by Spawn:
9/16/2018 1:09:13 AM
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UPVOTE IF WORLDS FIRST SHOULD GO TO NON-CHEATERS!
I think its absolute bullshit that Bungie is going to give Indica and his cheating team worlds first. They were all 560+ thanks to a prime engram glitch. Bungie SHOULD strip their titles and reset ALL of their gear to 500. Any of game worths its salt would have done so.
Way to ruin a great DLC with bad decision making. Dont even get me started with locking the 3rd subclass behind the 1st boss. Edit: Cosmo said there will be alternative ways to get the 3rd seed in the future.
To be clear, Im less mad about worlds first, and more frusterated with how they achieved it. Cheating/Exploiting/ETC is in fact against TOS and is unethical.
Gladly muting anyone willing to defend this crap. This isn't a change my mind post, and I dont care about the words of someone who supports exploitation.
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8 RepliesHe has a very valid point. Exploiting a glitch is cheating, end of story. They shouldn't be world's first because they cheated to make to easier for themselves.
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While I don't defend using a glitch/exploit to get better at the game (even though the method is barely even an exploit) you have to understand one thing. This is their job, the way they earn money. Without doing that raid and attempting worlds first which is something that made them famous in the first place, their audience would be incredibly upset. The issue here isn't with the exploit, it's with the fact that they had to use the exploit to even get close enough to do the raid. I have friends and clanmates who have been grinding nonstop since Day 1 of Forsaken and they aren't raid ready. If you watch their streams they started out grinding and farming like normal, but then they realized at that pace, they weren't gonna be ready in time, so the had to start using the exploit to make the stream enjoyable for their viewers so they can make a living. The problem is Bungie needs to fix the Powerful Gear not dropping at higher light. I did all my weeklies and all my dailies and the only things that actually dropped higher light level gear were the Prime Engrams. So it's no wonder people are using this when it's the only thing that is guaranteed to work.
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1 ReplyIt took me until the raid launched to understand why Bungie may have decided to not address the glitch - in the end, everyone was very under-leveled. Goth's team and Math Class were so close to being first so many times, but exhaustion caught them. that being said, it tests the legitimacy of these events when Bungie ignores it completely. While I would have liked to have seen exploited gear banned from start, it would have been a mess to factor in the exploited additional power level too. I'm more concerned that exploits in future content will actually deter teams who always consciously choose to not cheat. The whole situation created a ton of unnecessary pressure in the PvE community
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1 ReplyThese streamers have a responsibilty to be responsible. Showing youngsters that is is ok to cheat is not being responsible. This needs to be stamped out.
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3 RepliesOkay so what about the people who exploited dreaming city and got early raid loot? should they be reprimanded for exploiting the game to gain an advantage
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If Indica cheated, he and his team should be ashamed for the rest of their gaming life in Destiny. And if Bungie let them be world first, I really despise Bungie for such decision.
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It's not like it wasn't hard, the other two teams just weren't able to perfect it quick enough
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7 Replies"The team that spent 19 hours on an encounter cheated BANN THEM BUNGIE WHAAAAAA!, I COULD HAVE EASILY BEAT THEM OTHERWISE"
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4 RepliesI mean, it's a bug. It isn't cheating, and honestly if they didn't I'm not sure ANYONE would have finished this raid. They still had the difficult job of figuring out the raid mechanics and plowing through several encounters in less than a day. I respect it, give them some slack.
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1 ReplyEdited by Darkened Omega: 9/17/2018 2:37:29 PMWell said. It's the equivalent of doping in a sports event... who cares if they won. They couldn't have done it fairly, and the cheated those who could've. Rewarding cheating will encourage more.
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Totally agree!
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Edited by Fat Tony: 9/16/2018 12:48:13 PMChill..it was an exploit, got patched ASAP and thankfully no punishment was given to the players who did it (I wasn't one of them, btw.) Let's be honest, me, you and the 100s of thousands playing this DLC would not have come close to the tryhards that go 20 hours straight to finish the raid - even if they didn't have the exploited loot, or if we did have the exploited loot. Twelve...twelve players beat the raid before the 24 hour mark. I'm just glad that the winners unlocked missions and further end game content for us. Stop being salty because you didn't get the glory of getting world's first and want to take away things from others.
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1 Replyi remember a similar thing happening in russia involving Lineage 2. the exploiter had been beaten to a pulp irl. good times
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8 RepliesWhen you attach video proof of them cheating to your post I’ll reconsider but until then.... get over it they didn’t cheat they actually put in some time and effort.
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Making a content out of this was stupid in the first place. Especially when the raid drops 1 and a half weeks after the dlc launch and not to forget the powerful engram glitch and players getting punished for playing the weekly.
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Edited by AngryTormentor: 9/16/2018 10:57:13 AM[quote]They were all 560+ [/quote] So Bungie obviously knew they'd been exploiting? And then gave them the title anyway knowing the majority of the community knew to get to that level you'd have to exploit? They thought people wouldn't bring it up? How about Bungie come out of explain why they let this happen? You talk about transparency? Explain why you let a group of exploiters win worlds first full well knowing they exploited to get it. We can see why no-one would ever let this be an E-sport. It's an absolute joke.
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2 RepliesThis Bright-Engram exploit is simply infuriating because it ruined the whole raid itself for alot of people who were ready to go at launch. Bungie won't do anything meaningful about this. The only thing I've heard is basically just Bungie waggling their finger and taking the empty cookie jar from the child who's already eaten all the cookies. Meanwhile the kid is grinning ear-to-ear the whole time and trying not to laugh too loud. This literally ruined Forsaken for me and I can't even stand to look at the raid icon on the destination map, which luckily isn't a problem because it's some weird unlabeled stencil in some off corner. I'm far more interested in the Gambit gear and rewards now, which is probably the only reason why I'm even still playing with how soured Forsaken is from the whole Raid/Exploit debacle and how Bungie won't even acknowledge or rectify it.
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10 RepliesWhy is it so much about recognition, and why do so many people care about who's worlds first and how they did it? Not mocking anyone, I just really do not understand what difference it makes. I mean, what happens if you're worlds first? Do you win something special?
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Every team I saw were 550 plus, I'm pretty sure everyone in the running used the exploit to level up. This doesn't make it ok and I agree that Bungie needs to start doing something about exploits.
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1 ReplyI agree that's complete bs I have played so many hrs and yet only up to 542 doing no glitches havent even been able to go into the raid yet they dont deserve the title cheating bastards
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1 ReplyIt's also an exploit to reach higher light levels by using multiple characters, what do we about those people?
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5 RepliesEdited by BioCats: 9/15/2018 12:59:03 PMWhile I do think it’s... disappointing?... at the [i]end[/i] of the raid the highest member in their fireteam had light lvl 561, the rest in the 50s. Where you got that 570+ number I have no idea. Edit: OP changed the post to say 560 instead of 570, which is still kind of wrong because the only one with 560+ reached it with the drops from the final encounter....
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Personally I couldn't give a toss who was first. In the grand scheme of things it is meaningless. Who will remember in three months time. What was their name again?
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4 RepliesArgentina won two world cups by cheating and blatant corruption. That’s something worth noting. Cheats do prosper on many cases (sadly enough)
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unfortunately, in today's day and age, cheaters usually win... [spoiler]no spoilers [/spoiler]
