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Edited by Spawn:
8/24/2018 4:19:28 PM
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Raids In destiny just aren't fun anymore
I feel like Bungie needs to take a step back and bring back the fun in raids. Who else remembers the fun destiny 1 raiding days? Raids now are painful to do and to be entirely honest they just arent fun. Just to beat a prestige raid you have to have a top tier raiding team, and thats just not how I want destiny to be. I am 100% certain this is also how most of the community feels. Raids in Destiny 2 have been breeding toxicity and I think we need to change that before it continues any further. Lets bring back the old days when we had Vault of Glass, Crotas end and Wrath of the Machine. I remember the old days when it was actually fun to run raids with friends. #Bringbackthefun
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They are with a good lfg team or with highly skilled friends. Otherwise, they're not worth the trouble. Unless you are sherpa-ing some malleable, respectful, and grateful guardians, that is.
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The team wipe mechanic (revive tokens) needs to go from normal raids, by all means have it in prestige mode but this simple mechanic is what breeds most toxicity for new players as many do not want to go through countless resets while that person learns to stay alive. I don’t blame them, it sucks but it’s not the players fault it was Bungies decision. Also as has been mentioned, what is with the hot potato nonsense - seriously? Having seen the Spire of Stars guide videos I honestly can say there is no desire to ever do that Lair. EoW at least seemed a little less pointless, cooking the skulls a bit of a pain but at least it’s relatively simple and easy to follow. Until they get rid of the token revive wipe mechanic I doubt I’ll bother at all - no matter how good the new raid is and whether they’ve got rid of annoying mechanics with that stupid token system they can ram it...
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5 RepliesAnymore? I have to tell you from someone who actually liked the Callus raid, every raid after was trash. Tossing balls for hot potato, and cooking skulls....really stupid mechanics that make this game not a serious shooter with a lore background, but a poor excuse for Mario Brothers. It in no way makes ANY sense for guardians to have to jump into space, come back down, throw an egg into a chamber, then go back up into space, to throw another egg at a ship. There is nothing remotely interesting about being shot from a cannon so you can land near a vex robot, pick up skulls and fill them with energy, and fire them like lasers to break a shield. The Callus one was already skirting the edge of making sense. Destiny 1 raids didn't make that much sense either, but at least the point of a lot of them was fighting. Apparently you aren't supposed to use your guns that much, but 'magic powers' to defeat your enemies. And if the steps weren't so mindless, maybe I wouldn't mind. But this jump puzzle, egg tossing, skull cooking nonsense is over. The next raid probably will be just as stupid, requiring you to carry torches or some other nonsense to be able to kill the boss with. Destiny is not a shooter, it's a poor excuse for a 1980s arcade game now.
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3 RepliesToo many mechanics, not enough epic fights. Simple as that.
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18 RepliesRaids in D2 aren’t as fun as raids in D1 were because of the mechanic-centric nature. The focus on raid development as you rightly point out needs to change. Back to shooting enemies in the face and staying alive while doing so. Not passing a ball around and destroying an artificial ship just because you have the “superior retainer” buff. I’d wager Bungie has looked at the number of raid completions in Y1 of both releases. Hopefully someone at Bungie with half a clue realized that change needs to occur otherwise this next raid could suck just as much as Spire of Stars does.
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Edited by IMADAJ: 8/24/2018 7:29:46 AMI’ve completed every raid in D1 and D2, both normal and prestige, and I have to say I agree with you. For me it started with WotM. That’s where I noticed the mechanics become more complex and in turn the toxicity jump which started killing the fun. I’ve since joined a clan which has help tremendously in taking the elitism out of the equation, but schedules don’t always line up so then it’s back to LFG. I cringe every time.
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2 Repliesthey should remaster all D1 raids and make them available in D2
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I agree completely in D1 we had sunday morning coffee with crota, we would get together enjoy our coffee and run crota and VOG EVERY sunday. The D2 raids are juat boring, i have completed them all and feel no need to run them, so boring it was not even worth the 405 weapon drops you tried to bait us with. Make the raids fun again, right now they are boring repetitive junk.
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3 RepliesTotally agree, loved VoG. Liked Crota, since then the raids have become the preview of the "Chosen Few". More than 80% of my friends who raided regularly pre Oryx, never even bought D2. They cite the same reasons you did, they found the raids too time consuming and no longer achievable unless one has an organized fireteam. The fact that this late in the game less than 14% of players have beat the raid, speaks volumes. The very few people I know that have beat the raid. Have done it once and not returned until the next expansion. I miss the days of meeting a fellow player and asking, "Have you beat the raid this week?" Now the question is, "Have you beat the raid?" I use to look forward to the weekly raid party. Now, well honest I don't even think about the raids. Sad, I still love the game.
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27 RepliesThat's because Bungie started listening to the Dattos of the community who said D1 raids were not hard enough, YouTubers who have been playing with the same clan since launch. They want Mechanics that rely on constant communication and communication because they play with the same people and don't find that to be a problem Spire Of Srars is the worst raid encounter in Destiny history
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Don't tell Dmg. You'll hurt his feelings.
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Had over 300 wraith completions., but I cant stand any of the new raid mechanics. Plus they are kinda boring.......
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Raids haven't been fun since they added ORBS and Tokens to the game for everything. The orbs thing took over all forms of skill. I hate it.
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1 ReplyI agree 100% I definitely enjoy raids in d2 but raids were more about enjoying them with friends. For example the beginning of Crotas raid when you run from thralls was absolutely hilarious and made people want to actually do them raids in d2 are mostly a pain
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Don't expect the next one is. If D2 os following the D1 raid pattern this one is were them all started to go overcomplicated more and more.
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I used to raid in d1 all the time. Even after completing the raid for the week I go in again and again to help people because it was fun. In d2 I played the first raid 1 time and I didn't like it and have not done a raid since.
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Edited by TAZ__KID: 8/24/2018 9:35:39 AMIt is almost impossible to get enough people together that can get through the raids now, which makes them no fun. Every single person for the most part have to be on point and have a good idea of what they are doing when and for the average player that just doesn't seem to work out or at least from what I have seen. I have tried getting people together for Spire of the stars and keep getting told nobody feels like playing glorified hot potato is any fun. Basically there are just too many mechanics for A LOT of players and everyone pays for the game.
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Yes more shooting, less running around holding our balls.
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They don’t seem that bad. Ran my first prestige Calus a couple weeks ago with on of those ‘must have x amount of clears groups’. After a run or two I was having to explain it to them 🤦♂️
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Bungie is way to concerned about how challenging these things are instead of weather or not they are fun. Thanks youtubers!
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The only change I want to see for the current Raids are Elemental Primaries. That’s what I thought made the Raids in D1 well worth it.
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I raided a lot in d1 and about 70 times in d2. I enjoyed the raids but were not as fun as d1 due to the revive timers and such. some mechanics were very heavy so harder to just get people thru. Never really tried prestige because its all cosmetic really. This is what lies at the heart of the problem. You raided a lot in d1 for 3 reasons. First sure once you know all the ins and outs you can blaze thru and joke around and still finish the raid. In d2 mechanics require more laser focus. Second and more importantly is the loot. You went in after fate bringer, vex mythoclast, black hammer, vision of confluence, and word of crota. This made all the beginning time you ran worth it. Plus normal armor drops gave you perks to help you complete hard. Third and the most important one. Exotics. There was no way to really get exotics in d1 except thru xur. When ice breaker was offered at xur records were broken with how many people bought it. same with gallahorn. xur had a purpose. But the raids each had 1 exotic chest in it that had a very high change to drop an exotic for you. So every reset people went back to vog and crota even after they were left behind for kings fall to try and get those missing exotics. That's what pushed replayability. 70 raids were enough to have fun and get what I needed out of d2. I raided around 500 times in d1 for the same. Took me 55 hard runs to get my first fate bringer and 26 for my vex.
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Edited by Spicy: 8/24/2018 11:46:46 AMI’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, the raids in destiny 2 are a bit too mechanic heavy for my taste. I loved the focus of combat in the first two destiny raids. And I think kings fall, barring hard mode golgoroth was the perfect mix of mechanics and combat.
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2 RepliesUsed to raid all the time in D1 so much so that I competed the page in the record book and got the emblem. Now I just can’t be bothered, might run leviathan few times before forsaken launches idk. Hopefully the Last Wish fixes this issue and makes raiding in Destiny great again!
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Tried once... but I couldn’t stay interested. I miss killing monsters, all we do now is relay races
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I agree. I loved to raid in D1 but haven't tried a raid or later in D2. Also, there was more incentive for me to raid in D1 - weapons/armor to chase, power level mattered, etc...
