[quote]This is a real opportunity to build towards a better future for the game and even though it's only so many voices that can be in the room, those who can't be there still deserve a voice too.[/quote] [b]Nothing personal, just an opinion. And, your post belongs in the feedback forum[/b] You been saying this for a long time and Nothing has changed in the last couple years. The community has been giving feedback for years and Only the small petty things were mainly listened to. Example... Gamers ask for strike specific loot. What does that actually mean knowing D1's loot table in nightfall. I mean, correct me if i'm wrong. Did the community only just ask for cosmetics and said that is all we want? Bungie translated all the feedback since the day D2 released to, oh, you just want more cosmetics. I really would like to know how [b](Random Rolls)[/b] or even asking for unique rewards was perceived that the community just wanted useless items. That is just one example out of the many this company has gotten so wrong. 3 years of D1, 3 years of feedback and 2 wish list. Am I missing something here? What does feedback actually mean. From what I understand it's a form of communication between 2 people usually having a conversation that goes both ways. Not just one way... This means if the company is asking for feedback and streamers are their main concern on inviting people to give feedback that mainly focuse on PvP and knowing close to 3 million have dropped this game. How does that benefit the lower people on the totem pole and PVE gamers that have been IGNORED 95% of the time? Nothing personal, and this is not an insult or anything some would like to twist this to be. But you do not speak for this entire community. The communities feedback is All Over This Entire Forum and if Bungie can't comprehend what is being asked for after all this years. They got some major issues. What Bungie doesn't want the new gamers to know. This isn't for them. This is only for Bungie to get their quota for the next DLC because how much the player base had dropped. They have Never done anything like this as far as being legit on wanting our actual feedback. This was their attempt back in D1. Here I thought this was going to be a legit survey. No, they were more concerned about gamers dropping from the game then getting actual feedback. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/why-did-you-stop-playing-destiny-bungie-reportedly/1100-6434469/

Probably going to be a long post so I'll try to break my thoughts down into segments. History with the game I am a week one player from D1. I am a clan founder, raid sherpa, mediocre crucible player and probably close to 4000 hrs played in D1 and D2 combined. I also have played games like Warframe, The Division, Borderlands, Diablo, Mass Effect, and Final Fantasy series. So obviously I leanore PvE than PvP but I cut my teeth in the crucible and understand the importance of it in this franchise. I understand the need for balances between both and will do my best to keep that in mind with the following ideas and thoughts. Loot pt. 1 Armor This seems to be the easiest place to make meaningful changes to loot in the game. Mostly because armor has become mostly a cosmetic choice rather than enabling any meaningful gameplay changes or granting player power fantasy changes. This is a game of cosmic bad asses and space magic, why can't our armor do something for us? My first idea is to go towards anset bonus system. Similar to Diablo, Division, MHW or any number of other games. We have planet specific sets, faction specific sets, PvP specific sets, raid etc etc... So why not have bonuses for wearing certain number of peices for that set that get increasingly more powerful the more that you have equipped. This is a really fun way to grant player power fantasy and make completing sets meaningful which grants a level of grind to the game. With balance in mind, you can grant pve specific set bonuses unless they are for IB, Trials or crucible faction sets. Raid sets should be the pinnacle sets with the most powerful bonuses and as such, they shouldn't be given out like candy. Making exotic armor more powerful without breaking PvP can be a challenge but if you implememt powerful set bonuses then you'll have to up the game of exotic armor to make them appealing in lie of a set piece. Random rolls on armor wouldn't be as important as for weapons because the set bonuses would be the appeal. However, you could make the R,R,M stats random so that you could customize your set a little more personal. Loot pt. 2 Weapons Weapons are a little more simple but maybe also more complicated in ways because of the lack of top tier perks on weapons currently. Random rolls would help in short term giving us a way to get a weapon we like personally with a top tier perk. However, I think we need ways to progress a weapon over time to make it more powerful and personal. Say you like a certain perk but you had to work towards unlocking perks on your weapon via number of kills, enemy types, game mode completions etc etc.. Mostly though, we need a lot more perks and a lot less perks that suck. Period. For balance, you can certainly make some perks pve specific so as not to break crucible but at the same time, we need strong perks in PvP too just not game breaking ones. Loot pt 3 Other stuff Mods. Make them strong, make a ton of them and make some rare, exotic and meaningful. That is all. Where did our relics go? Why can't our ghosts do anything but scan something or crack wise jokes? Why not have auras that do something more than just grant a visual for your character. Just some small things that could give us some utility in simple items that give is incentive to care about which ones we have equipped. Activities Lost sectors should be much more challenging but not to the point that a solo player couldn't work through it with some skill and patience. I'm thinking of something like a strike boss with mechanics involved to defeat them. Give each sector a boss with specific loot and maybe an exotic tied to them at a rare drop rate. Give them a weekly lockout and have a featured planet (flashpoint) have increased drop rates but also modifiers to spice things up. Strikes just need more of them which will happen over time. They could also add more specific loot. Maybe Nightfall loot tables and heroic tables. But more than one item per strike and less meaningless stuff like sparrows and ghosts. Give us a horde mode. Please Sparrow racing was fun. Just saying Raids are I'm a good place and will only get better with improved loot, and improved progression/incentive. I want less of the raid lairs, although they are fun, but more raids that feel difficult, puzzling and rewarding. Progression Seasonal progression could be better. You want to make players feel like it's important to achieve milestones each season. Give them something cool that can only be earned each season. This can be cosmetic but also something that does look so bad ass that other players feel like they missed out on something cool. Factions could have seasonal or just a flat progression system that grants access to items all of the time and not just during faction rallies. Faction rallies need to be bigger, more grand and encompassing more game modes, especially PvP. Matchmake with players only in your faction and against other factions for start. PvP Game modes. More of them and our choice of exactly which mode we want to play. I know player population isn't good right now (especially on PC like myself) but restricting game modes to a random set of modes ifnt helping things because some of us hate certain modes and are less likely to play if it means we get that mode half of the time. We need rift back, we need doubles or skirmish back for small groups. We also need elimination back. I think trials was much better as 3v3 elimination but that's just me and maybe not popular. I think the go fast update did a good job of balancing the weapon types but ttk could be faster for more fun game play. I know ranked PvP is coming so we will have to wait and see how that works and if it needs changing. What made Destiny 1 so popular was in part due to the exceptional players that crested YouTube and twitch content with skill. The skill gap needs to be adjusted to give players with skill, a reason to play and show it off. Stop worrying about the casuals as much and let the gods of PvP eat. I'm not great but I played a ton in D1 because it was fun and I felt like I was improving the more I played. That feeling isn't there in D2 as much. Some of this could be achieved with weapon slot changes which I'll discuss next. Weapon slot changes I understand that we shouldn't look backwards to D1 too much if we want to improve the game but this weapon system has hurt D2 maybe in more ways than any other single issue. It made pve content less fun by adding a false layer of difficulty via lack of power ammo and also via removing a really strong slot so that we could have an elemental primary. Primaries in D1 were for killing ads and red bars. Not bosses. I want my sniper along with a rocket or sword. Make difficulty based on mechanics and not based on ammo restrictions and lack of total power output This is not to say that we need to go straight back to D1. I'm sure there is a compromise.

Didn’t you sit here and trash the community for being so negative about the game and now you want to hear the feedback (again) so you can be our voice of reason? You aren’t trusted dude.

I simply don't see anything changing. If this community summit is so important then why don't they stream it? Since it's supposed to be about the community I would have thought they'd want to share it WITH the community. It's pretty obvious now just how much they've messed everything up. Bungie seriously needs to earn back the trust of its fanbase. A closed doors so-called summit isn't going to help. I know what's going to happen. People will come back singing praise to Bungie and how great the expansion will be. They did it with D2 and CoO. We'll get the expansion and run into the exact same problem as we've had the last 4 years. Promises that far exceed reality. I simply haven't got the faith anymore that they'll do Destiny justice. I defended D1 till I was blue in the face and it just irks me so badly just how much I dislike D2. I was a fanboy - I lived and breathed D1. I just refuse to be letdown yet again.

I preordered the digital deluxe version, I haven’t even touched the first DLC, even though I already paid for it. The reasons why I left are 1. The weapon loadout is boring. 2. There is no reason to try and get better armor because it doesn’t exist. 3. Our characters move like they waist deep in mud. 4. No exotics feel exotic. 5. Nothing to search for (ghosts, fragments etc.) 6. The long, long time it takes for your abilities to recharge. 7. The lack of heavy ammo and how little of it you can carry. 8. The Halo wannabe crucible..soooo boring. 9. The Raid is boring and there is no reason to even play it in the first place. I can keep going but I will make it short. I played D1 everyday, and I still play it. Started a clan with all kinds of players and there was ALWAYS more than a couple people on.....Now....no one

The game is not fun. Pve is pointless. The narrative is garbage without a dynamic protagonist. The raid blows. Movement is too slow. Abilities are weak and slow. Pve is slow. Ttk is too long. Movement is slow. Gameplay is anemic. It’s not fun or rewarding. The game is garbage.

Not for nothing Sols, and let me preface thiswith regardless of my personal opinion of you, and appreciatively respecting the time and effort you spent writing this. 1: just as a clarification, were you invited. 2: If so, why? 3: And in all honesty, what is it that you or any other " content creator " can hope to convey to Bungie that has not been said 1000 different times in 1000 different ways any better than a concerted pass through of any relevant social media platform. This is why it smacks of a p.r grab. You stated that it was 100% not, how would you know? Were you privy to the strategy session were employee A presented it to the higher ups. From the outside looking at it objectively, it sure as hell looks like an attempt to get "content creators" and there however many viewers and subscribers back into the fold. In "fact" it's blatantly obvious that this is a way to circumvent the usual one month before dlc reveal stream that usually would take place. And i can see why they would have to find a new route to peoples wallets, since people seem to have caught on to the bungie s.o.p In summary, you've have been told something by bungie, so Sols, ..tell us

Why can't i see Rambo's comment anymore? Censored? [b]Honestly, why the -blam!- is his comment not visible anymore and disappeared?[/b] So this is how bungle handles stuff today [b]again[/b]? filter stuff that doesn't match their likes? [b]Again [/b]some [i]forum algorythms[/i] that cause it? wtf!!! [b][u]Edit[/u][/b]: So,i've heard that he was banned, -blam!-ing [b]unbelievable[/b]!!!!!! As i remember his post very well and can absolutely confirm that it had [b]ABSOLUTELY NO[/b] insults or [b]ANYTHING[/b] that would justify a ban in [b]ANY [/b]way this is just -blam!-ing crazy! He just said something that might not match sols view, but again, still [b]NO [/b]reason and [b]NOTHING [/b]that would have justified a ban [b]NOR [/b]censoring what he said, as it was deleted is even more insulting and crazy in the first place! So this is what you doing nowadays bungle? Delete and ban [b]ANYONE [/b]who says something that doesn't fit your spurious idea of an ideal destiny world? Since when you empower yourselves here to protect a forum member from being criticized or not agreed with and [b]BAN [/b]persons then? [b]STILL CAN'T -blam!-ING BELIEVE IT!!![/b] I already have a very low esteem of you, but this is just beyond ridiculous!

If you have to ask the community these questions................ Why have they invited you to this summit in the first place ????????? This is nothing more then a pr hype ( mark my words ) You do realise that if they continue to mess this game further up, YOU people who are invited wil b hold responsable for that by the community......... right ????

Sols, I feel my feedback as an individual means nothing to a company like Bungie, and I've tried... But, for what it's worth... I was expecting (like many others) a continuation of D1's story and character progression. I was expecting more of the same, plus new things like: - New enemies - New subclasses and or abilities - The continuation of what made D1 great from a PvE perspective Obviously new weapons, armor... Loot in general, but more of the same but different. Now that right there could be misconstrued as what we've been given, but what I'm talking about is the continuation of "special" feeling weapons like VoC, Fatebringer, Burning Eye, DIS-43, Gjally, Spindle, Sleeper... The list goes on and on. Armor and weapons that gave you perks against enemy types. I expected new foes not reskins. The feelings you got from your first VoG, CE, Skolas, KF, WoTM... The hero moments in raids with the Aegis, the Sword, Running at Oryx, Popping weapons of light and swinging for the hills with Dark Drinker. For PvE to be separate from PvP. To have all of those things but with better graphics and the story to continue. I didn't expect tokens, emblems to be "end game" rewards. I didn't expect the loot pool to be as shallow as it is. I didn't expect raid revive tokens. I didn't expect secondaries from D1 to become power weapons in D2. I expected a darker tone. I expected to have to raid to get to max power level. I expected the continuation of subclass and stat tuning (that tier 12 chase). I didn't necessarily expect more complex subclasses etc, just a shift to something new and exciting but still familiar. I expected all of the quality of life improvements from D1 to be in the base game for D2. I didn't expect redundant economies like what Legendary Shards were to ever be a thing. I expected bigger and badder missions and raids. I expected community driven secret quests to be uncovered and solved ala Outbreak Prime, Spindle, Simulant... I miss the times with my clan watching Dave continually get shit on in the "penis room". I miss not getting teleported and 3 guys who normally don't run relic get sent and no-one picking it up hearing "I don't know how to do it"... "Everybody wipe". I miss not being the go-to guy for Swordbearer. I miss not clutching an Oryx clear with 4 people. I miss the badass exotics that made you feel like you owned the raids. I miss those kind of moments that just aren't there in D2. I miss the thrill of anticipation for Xûr, the weekly reset to begin the next weekly challenge. I miss the status of having "that weapon" or "that emblem" that you were either lucky enough to get, or worked long enough on to earn. It's hard to articulate these things over text... There are so many things swirling around in my head, that as I think of one thing, something else pops into my train of thought. I miss my clan who no longer plays anymore. I miss Destiny.

[quote]For those who still play, what do you enjoy most that keeps you playing?[/quote] Strikes and nightfalls. The loot needs to be improved for these though. The latest nightfall ghost is worse than a legendary one I have. Edit: downvoted immediately, maybe I'm wrong and some people consider the loot OK then...?