I'm the same, but I have quit playing. Because I did stop having fun playing it. It came to the point where I sat down in the man cave, and thought of hopping on D2 and it didn't excite me or appeal to me at all. Thing is, I've done everything you said you would do already, with Destiny 1. I've been down that road before, thinking that Destiny would eventually turn into an amazing game. It didn't. So I'm not doing that with D2. D2 was their chance to turn it all around. So I'm not doing the DLC gamble thing again. I think that's basically what Skillup was saying too. When you reach a point, you reach a point.

Same. I mean, I get the salt of this dude, some of this is sketchy but I only ever felt entitled to what they put in a game that I chose to pay $60 for, same for the $20 DLC. As far as the eververse engrams, I’ve never given them a second look or bought any of them, yet somehow I have all the stuff from them. Going back and forth between a few games hasn’t left me with much time to finish the activities in CoO yet. I will and when there’s nothing left to do I’ll go back to Warframe and Wildlands pvp, which is quite enjoyable if you haven’t tried it yet. For 20 bones it ain’t that bad. I have some longtime gamer friends that still play so it’s worth it to me. Same as goin out to the bar with the RL boys and runnin up a tab for pitchers of beer. I guess it’s about what these games mean to you. If theyre just a side to the great steak of life then it won’t bother you. If they’re your income then you’ll be pissed about these changes. And if you’re gullible what someone else is telling you what you should think about something in a YouTube video will convince you to stop playing them. Eh.

I have Wildlands, but never purchased any of the DLCs and haven't tried the PvP. Will have to soon. And it also kind of caught me the wrong way when he said he hasn't tried the raid lair, but doesn't care how good or fun it may be as it won't impact his review. Huh?

The DLC I bought was the fallen ghost one, story not engaging but some of the firefights were. The pvp is better with folks you know on your team. Yeah. That one hit me as well. The D2 videos that get the most hits are the negative ones right now. I see them get linked in the clan discord and just roll my eyes. Play it or don’t...I mean, sure the problems are there. But anyone that enjoys playing the game has already purchased to dlc and is playing. I guess I just don’t get the attachment to it. The emotional attachment I mean. How could anyone be that emotionally invested in a $60 video game?

[quote]The D2 videos that get the most hits are the negative ones right now.[/quote] That right there. Who's to say SkillUp isn't just trying to cash in on more hits on youtube channel?

Dude, I get the whole thing how everyone hates streamers and they are cancer etc etc... but maybe the negative videos are getting all the hits [i]because they are right[/i]. Not every person that makes a YouTube video about Destiny is fxckin evil. In case you hadn't noticed, a lot more people than just him are leaving Destiny at the moment.

[quote]Dude, I get the whole thing how everyone hates streamers and they are cancer etc etc... but maybe the negative videos are getting all the hits because they are right. [/quote] I don't necessarily [i]hate[/i] streamers. SkillUp also makes some good points in his video. But it's all about his [i]feelings[/i]. I see all the things he sees; I just don't come to the same conclusions nor take it anywhere near as personally. I mean he says $20 is fine as far as value for what you get, but Bungie basically sleepwalked in the design (and this is without consideration given to the replay/fun factor of the raid lair) so he's doing a 180 on his opinion of Bungie and walking away. Seems more than a little overly dramatic, and his review came up as very personal and again -- while some of his observations are hard to argue, his interpretation comes off as very personal and unobjective. And no, it's not about[i] wrong or right[/i]. This entire situation is more about feelings than objectivity, and feelings are neither right or wrong; they just are. We can all see the flaws of some of the decisions Bungie made. To some it's just a lot larger deal than to others. And it doesn't mean they're right; bashing things and jumping on that bandwagon is the thing to do on the Internet. Most people go on forums to complain, not to tell everyone how much they are enjoying something. It's just more fun to watch the world burn. [quote] In case you hadn't noticed, a lot more people than just him are leaving Destiny at the moment.[/quote] And in case you haven't noticed, a lot of people are still playing; 2 million daily spend time in PvE and 7-800k in PvP. Your opinion or his doesn't mean they're wrong for being happy to play.

No one's wrong or right that is true. But at this stage so many people are acting like nothing is wrong Just because they are content with the game. It is [i]fine[/i] to be content with what we were given, but for many people, it's not. It's the same rodeo once again, and some people are fed up and not gonna ride for the full 8 seconds this time around. People are still playing, yes. But people are still playing other games that didn't do so well. The point that people are leaving is not to illustrate that people don't play this game anymore, it's an example of just how poorly the game is being received. I supported D1 and in many ways I was just like Skillup. Even If it fell short of What I thought it would be, I liked it for what it was. So I [i]can[/i] sympathize with that. But not twice. It feels like we are starting the same things all over again, and for me that's not good enough. I [i]want[/i] to see Destiny do amazing, but Bungie's trajectory needs to change significantly. No patch or DLC is gonna turn that around immediately. Maybe one day drastic changes will have the game at a more exciting place, but right now I'm stepping away. And when you have this kind of reception for a game where long time loyal fans are stepping away? That means there are problems. We've already [i]been[/i] where you currently are. That's how deep the problems are. People that once were willing to enjoy Destiny for what It was can't keep doing it anymore. So it's not a problem of a bunch of children being dramatic about Destiny, it's loyal fans leaving. We shouldn't so easily dismiss that like it's a stomach pain, it's something that should put everyone on notice. I couldn't care less what Skillup does with his time now. He could go flip burgers or re-nig on everything he said. The point is that if an avid Destiny fan like he or I who has stood by it through highs and lows says enough is enough, What did it really take to get him there? A very poor gameplay experience. If they had 4m playing and lost half of that? That is still worth taking notice. Especially with a game that is supposed to thrive on its own longevity.

[quote]No patch or DLC is gonna turn that around immediately. Maybe one day drastic changes will have the game at a more exciting place, but right now I'm stepping away.[/quote] Nail on the head there. Unfortunately, many of the harshest critics of Destiny 2 don't understand that. And what irks me is not that someone such as yourself feels the way that they do. I can respect that. Like I said, feelings aren't right or wrong. it's not that I don't see many of the points you raise on Bungie's decisions and the compromises they've made. It's that I don't see them as making Bungie a bunch of untalented assholes who've put out a game that sucks. There's a lot I [i]like[/i] about Destiny 2. I like how they've removed random rolls from PvP which gave players competitive advantages over other players. You don't lose an encounter because your opponent has better armor or more powerful weapons from spending 10 times the amount you have grinding for the perfect roll and overcoming RNG. I get beat because an opponent is more skilled than I am. Unfortunately, this has made the PvE portion of the game less exciting and more unfulfilling. They need to add more options such as choosing game modes, choosing match sizes, keeping Nightfall modes for those who didn't purchase the DLC and so on. But for me, those are just mistakes, and I hope they find a way to better way to deal with those issues, but it will take time before we can tell whether they are willing to take those steps. Lots of these errors in decisions or implementation, and I understand those who choose to step away, but they don't have to hang around these boards telling me I'm wrong for seeing it the way I do. I mean, if you really want to talk about a clusterfk, look at EA/Dice and how they've destroyed the Star Wars IP with Battlefront II (not to mention all the other IPs they've destroyed). Anyway, I don't want to go on for hours discussing the finer points of this subject. It's far more complicated than,[i] "This game sucks"[/i]. Sorry you feel you have to walk away, but I'm still having fun, still hope to see improvements, and will still be playing at least for the immediate future. We'll just have to see what happens moving forward.

Yeah everyone has different opinions and I think none of them would completely fix the game. I for one think that going down the route of "balance" in a looter was kind of a lost cause in the first place, so I'd disagree with the random rolls thing. I thought the whole point in the beginning of D1 was to go out and find super OP loot in the endgame, then wreck face in the crucible. It would be the ultimate showing of the best gear in the game and those that used it the best. But either way, a lot of the things that need fixing are not something I think Destiny can even fix. Not for me anyway. Lots of people just think "bring back random rolls" or "make strike specific loot again". But really, that's just asking for the Destiny 1 features that we loved back. I mean at the very least that should have been the starting point or "breaking even". I wanted like, exponentially more out of D2 than D1 gave. And seeing how long they had to test out this stuff, I figured it was coming. But as long as Bungie thinks [i]more cinematics[/i] = [i]more story[/i] it ain't happening. They think lost sectors is "exploring". They think an open world full of revolving door shoot 'em all quests is an open world at all. They think adventures [i]actually[/i] digs into the lore: it doesn't. For me to return, it basically has to become something I know it won't. It'll need incredible depth. It'll need more than just "bringing D1 back". That's their biggest failing with me. The story was supposed to be huge, the quests were supposed to be many and fleshed out, the whole game was supposed to live and breathe and bleed lore, (because the lore is amazing) the open worlds were supposed to be rich with things to do and it was supposed to feel alive. It wasn't. It's just like D1, but minus the things that made D1 tolerable or enjoyable. Like others have said, "if you like Destiny like it is and want more of it? It's for you. But if you were wanting even more? It's not for you." So for the peeps like you that enjoy it, that Is really great, it is. But for me, I feel like they really had a chance to create something epic (again) and instead made a run of the mill shooter (again).

Well, it [i]is[/i] a sequel...

Yeah not a repeat or reboot.