It is definitely not to say that the campaign and strike were not interesting or graphically pleasing, although I found the strike monotonous with double primaries. I couldn't get past the awful feeling of being slow and the warlock, titan jumps felt terrible. It lacked the crispness of D1 and I felt like I was playing the beta with gloves on. These are just my impressions. It was hard to "smell the roses" when I felt neutered. Both in movement and potency. I do realize they are going to make adjustments but it definitely isn't enough to earn my money. If the core mechanics remain like this I will abstain.

[i]Changes have been made I know. This is just my recollection of my time in the beta[/i] [u][b]Homecoming[/b][/u] Great cinematics. Overall better graphics. The weapon system change and subclass changes were not what I wanted. With that said I had fun having range options and didn't think our primary weapons were far off from the ideal damage. Grenade damage was low. Loved being in the fight with the vanguard. Hope to see more NPC interaction in the campaign. Excited to play thru this story. [b][u]Inverted Spire[/u][/b] (Most issues already resolved)This is where the issues with pve became much more apparent. The damage is obviously a bit under where it should be especially on the strike boss. Cooldowns need to come down a bit. (one idea I had was making orbs give significantly more super energy to really push teamwork). The level had a few to many empty areas(this wouldn't have been an issue if I had my Sparrow) the boss fight could have had another basic area damage effect to keep the fight hectic. [i]Boss vitality and power ammo issues already addressed in TWAB[/i] [b][u]Crucible[/u][/b] I really enjoyed the changes. The TTK is better suited for teamplay and less OHK options made the experience entertaining. [b][u]Miscellaneous[/u][/b] [i]Why did we start Homecoming with the new subclass?[/i] Hopefully just for the beta [i]Did Cayde blink away in Homecoming?[/i] [u]Heavys[/u] Shotguns a bit weak Scouts need larger clip Fusions needs less GG six shooter timer needs small increase Energy weapon shield break stun/AoE rules

All I heard in y1 was "halo halo halo, this game needs to be more like halo.Halo was amazing,you're trying to be halo and you failed, be more like halo". Now it's. "This game sucks it's too much like halo!!!!!!"

A Titan should never feel like a hunter in his super. Didn't like the bink feeling. A warlock shouldn't feel like a Titan throwing his hammer. Didn't have to use one, watching videos was enough for me. I've always believed that our characters should have always had the uniqueness about them that separates one from the other. That's not how the Titan felt. The story was so so and short but did team up with a random at the tower. So played around a bit to see how the weapons felt. Well, it felt like I was reloading more then I was actually interacting. Did check out to see if the old glich worked to where you glide to the top of the vault space where they use to be. Bungie had none of that lol. Didn't like the slide using the Titan. It felt like I was cut short, and could imagine the Titan putting his hands down scooting his butt on the ground just to finish the slide. Didn't run the stike because the constant reloading and how empty it looked like like y2 strickes. Watched a few videos and saw how easy it was to blow right through the entire strike passing everything up to get to the mob. It looked like another speed run, get it over with and give me my reward. Whoever worked on the strikes in year 1 needs to be put back on the job... PvP not much to say that hasn't been said. If I wanted to play Halo, I'll play the real deal. The only thing I know for sure that will be amazing and will be in D2 is the art work. Never had any doubt on that. Don't like the loadouts and knowing locked loadouts are a thing. I see this being a issue for PvE gamers. Mainly because of the sandbox loves to nerf the most popular and calls that "adusting" weapons. What do PvP gamers do? Always go to the next go-to and the vicious cycle starts all over again across the entire board. As a PvE gamer incentive is an enjoyable thing, but spending thousands of hours in a game just to watch what I might enjoy repeatedly get Nerf because of PVP? That incentive becomes less and less to want to spend that kind of time in a game like this. If this is what this company is offering, it's not what I call an incentive to buy this game. At this point I rather buy ROI because I know all the nerfing is finally done.

Not at very fun game at this point

All my experience is with PVE. I did not do a single PVP round so... [quote][i]The Campaign[/i]. It's really fun and probably as good a level as they've done. I was really surprised that it was so much longer in this beta than what we played at the reveal.[/quote] Agreed. Campaign will be worthwhile. [quote][i]The Strike[/i]. Know there is contention on this and I'll get to that later, but balancing this go-round aside I love the strike. I think it's really fun, the level design is awesome, the enemies are (mostly) fun to fight and I spent more time running it than anything else this week.[/quote] It was the PVE activity that was repeatable (unless you made a new character). So I feel this is moot. BUT, the strike was very enjoyable. I enjoyed its design. Boss fight was good too. [quote][i]Nessus[/i]. Granted we only got to see The Cistern, but it was a really cool zone filled with a lot of cool experiences for those willing to stop and smell the roses a bit. I honestly think that The Cistern should have been opened up to patrol to allow more players to experience all the ancillary events going on. It could be done in fireteams, but playing random and getting pulled forward was kinda obnoxious and not really fair to anyone in the fireteam.[/quote] A Patrol (even if it was half or 1/4th the map) would have done wonders. [quote][i]The new subclasses[/i]. This one is is with a couple of caveats. Overall I think the classes are good. I went in expecting nothing out of the Arcstrider and it might be my new favorite subclass ever. I didn't really take to the Titans, but I know others like RWG and HandsomeDragon who really like them. I actually was surprised at how much I like the new Voidwalker and liked the reveal event version of the Dawnblade a lot.[/quote] Dawnblade was disappointing to me. A flaming sword that shoots fire. Just let me go full pyromancer & hurl Hellfire! Arcstrider is fun but need gap closers. Too easy to shutdown even in PVE. Sentinel needs the shield throw to be unlimited. [quote][i]Hand Cannons[/i]. These are love. Don't know what is different, but my least favorite weapon class in D1 is my favorite in D2.[/quote] You only like it because Better Devils is the only wrapon that could kill enemies in a reasonable amount of time. Everything else took 1 or 2 clips. [quote][i]Pulse Rifles[/i]. These felt really good overall and were probably the best PvP weapons. The Nergal is incredible. I had trouble going back to D1 Pulse Rifles after playing with the ones in D2 and wished I had them to use now.[/quote] Agreed. [quote][i]Fusion Rifles[/i]. After all the years of neglect in D1, Fusions are finally back to their glory of Vanilla Destiny. I never got the new Linear Fusion and could not get one to drop on my Hunter ever, but they're beastly in both PvE and PvP.[/quote] Actually the FR was weaker than most FRs. Takes 2 shots (all bolts hitting) to kill red bars. But it was still one of the strongest Beta weapons so I am not surprised there. [quote][i]ARs[/i]. Another return to glory as these proved effective in both PvE adn PvP and really stood out in PvP as maybe the best all around weapon class.[/quote] Agreed. Long overdue. [quote][i]Exotics[/i]. Feel exotic again. The Sunshot is like a hand cannon rolled with Icebreaker and MIDA. The Titan AR is more like a heavy weapon than a primary. Didn't use the SMG enough to get a feel for it because Nergal, but know people liked it.[/quote] No Comment. I lost interest in the Exotics. [quote][i]Support abilities[/i]. People really seemed to like the new support abilities. I saw more low Titan walls in PvE and tall in PvP. The Warlock heal is nice and I might be the only one, but I like the Hunter dodge. I found it very useful in PvP and PvE (particularly when rolling agility) and if melee damage can be fixed, I think it could truly be stellar.[/quote] Hunters need a revamp. The dodge brings nothing to the table. No group synergy. Hunters desperately need some form of Group Invis, Ammo Scavenge (imagine if Hunters could scavenge Power Ammo), or DPS booster. Or Crowd Control, like tear gas or a razor wire trap. [quote][i]The Farm[/i] We haven't seen everything it's going to entail yet and they said the area will be dynamic and evolve over the course of the game, but it was a fun social space to run around and so, so beautiful.[/quote] Agreed. [quote][i]The Art and Music[/i]. Both are absolutely awesome.[/quote] Agreed. [quote][u][b]What needs work[/b][/u] [i]Over all damage balancing[/i] This is probably most of the point of the beta, but things were pretty bad in areas of this build, particularly the strike boss who went from a fun dynamic fight at the reveal, to a slog where everyone was constantly running out of ammo on all 3 weapons in this build. The Dawnblade also felt seriously gimped in this build and I don't know if that was a function of the enemies taking more damage.[/quote] Agreed. Everything felt pathedic. Even the Hand Cannon. [quote][i]Grenades and melee[/i]. Grenades are okay in PvP or at least they're what everyone screamed for the last two years. Melee is really bad. Three hits to kill and you have to be so far up in their business it's almost obscene. In PvE both are essentially useless.[/quote] Agreed. [quote][i]Scout Rifles[/i]. These just feel really bad. They need either a damage buff or much larger magazines because outside of the Heavy hitting omolon (blanking on the name), there isn't really any situation where a hand cannon or pulse aren't a better option.[/quote] Agreed. I fear its intentional. As Scouts are the new Snipers now. [quote][i]Grenade Launchers[/i]. Know Bungie said they're upping the damage, but they are so bad right now and more damage isn't going to stop them skipping past enemies.[/quote] Agreed. Now everyone feels Warlock's (and Scatter Grenade) pain. [quote][i]The new weapon system[/i]. I love it and it's still one of my favorite changes, but I know many many don't and it's hurting the experience for them. I don't know what the answer is. They're going to have more heavy drop and that is a start along with better enemy balancing, but I still know it's going to hurt some players. I think allowing one power weapon to be mapped to a D pad in PvE would be a nice solution so players could still have that sniper/rocket option. I doubt it would ever be done, but this I think will be the hardest adjustment for those who didn't like the beta.[/quote] The PVE solution should be to allow Energy to be either: 1. Secondary (Yup a return to form) 2. Flex (Put whatever in it.) 3. Melee Weapon Basically where Swords, Daggers, Hammers, Thrown weapons can go. Yup giving melee weapons a bigger role. [quote][i]cooldowns[/i] I firmly believe these will be different at launch. I can't believe we'll go from D1's mayhem PvP and Nightfalls to supers every 7 1/2 minutes. I also don't believe our cooldowns will stay static from level 1 to cap.[/quote] I hope the BDF is right. Cause those CDs are abysmal. Korean MMO abysmal. [quote][i]Nova Bomb[/i]. The Slovabomb is a mess. The seekers can kill, but holy schnikes, good luck landing that big slow purple ball. It's too bad because outside of the super, I felt it was my second favorite class. I loved the charge up grenades and Warlock will probably be my second class just for them.[/quote] You have officially renamed the super. Everyone at my job calls it the Slowvabomb. This needs work too. Vex & Cabal dodged it without trying. [quote][i]Golden Gun[/i] not sure, but felt like the super drained much faster in this build than the reveal. Either way, the 6 shot cluster is not a good PvP build and I think hurt people's experience with it in the beta.[/quote] This needs a dps increase bad. [quote][i]Ammo bricks[/i] thank you to RWG for reminding me of this one. They're much brighter and stand out more in D1. Not sure why they're dulled down in D2, but they're not as easy to spot now.[/quote] Agreed. Just need ammo across the board to drop more.

All I know is pvp was a cake walk and the pve content you could run through fast than a Cheetah on crack. I never tried out anything else but the hand Cannon.

Thought on cooldowns.. In d1 we have perks currently that lessen super cooldowns ( helmet ) upon deaths of our enemies.. Those perks will now be in the form of MODS - ( aka the 14 empty mod slots on armor and weapons ) so now we get 2 rolled slots and 2 ( on shaders maybe? ) MOD slots we can customize our gears with... How to get the MODS, hope they share that with us pre-launch..

[quote][u][b]What works[/b][/u] [i]The Campaign[/i]. It's really fun and probably as good a level as they've done. I was really surprised that it was so much longer in this beta than what we played at the reveal. [i]The Strike[/i]. Know there is contention on this and I'll get to that later, but balancing this go-round aside I love the strike. I think it's really fun, the level design is awesome, the enemies are (mostly) fun to fight and I spent more time running it than anything else this week. [i]Nessus[/i]. Granted we only got to see The Cistern, but it was a really cool zone filled with a lot of cool experiences for those willing to stop and smell the roses a bit. I honestly think that The Cistern should have been opened up to patrol to allow more players to experience all the ancillary events going on. It could be done in fireteams, but playing random and getting pulled forward was kinda obnoxious and not really fair to anyone in the fireteam. [i]The new subclasses[/i]. This one is is with a couple of caveats. Overall I think the classes are good. I went in expecting nothing out of the Arcstrider and it might be my new favorite subclass ever. I didn't really take to the Titans, but I know others like RWG and HandsomeDragon who really like them. I actually was surprised at how much I like the new Voidwalker and liked the reveal event version of the Dawnblade a lot. [i]Hand Cannons[/i]. These are love. Don't know what is different, but my least favorite weapon class in D1 is my favorite in D2. [i]Pulse Rifles[/i]. These felt really good overall and were probably the best PvP weapons. The Nergal is incredible. I had trouble going back to D1 Pulse Rifles after playing with the ones in D2 and wished I had them to use now. [i]Fusion Rifles[/i]. After all the years of neglect in D1, Fusions are finally back to their glory of Vanilla Destiny. I never got the new Linear Fusion and could not get one to drop on my Hunter ever, but they're beastly in both PvE and PvP. [i]ARs[/i]. Another return to glory as these proved effective in both PvE adn PvP and really stood out in PvP as maybe the best all around weapon class. [i]Exotics[/i]. Feel exotic again. The Sunshot is like a hand cannon rolled with Icebreaker and MIDA. The Titan AR is more like a heavy weapon than a primary. Didn't use the SMG enough to get a feel for it because Nergal, but know people liked it. [i]Support abilities[/i]. People really seemed to like the new support abilities. I saw more low Titan walls in PvE and tall in PvP. The Warlock heal is nice and I might be the only one, but I like the Hunter dodge. I found it very useful in PvP and PvE (particularly when rolling agility) and if melee damage can be fixed, I think it could truly be stellar. [i]The Farm[/i] We haven't seen everything it's going to entail yet and they said the area will be dynamic and evolve over the course of the game, but it was a fun social space to run around and so, so beautiful. [i]The Art and Music[/i]. Both are absolutely awesome. [u][b]What needs work[/b][/u] [i]Over all damage balancing[/i] This is probably most of the point of the beta, but things were pretty bad in areas of this build, particularly the strike boss who went from a fun dynamic fight at the reveal, to a slog where everyone was constantly running out of ammo on all 3 weapons in this build. The Dawnblade also felt seriously gimped in this build and I don't know if that was a function of the enemies taking more damage. [i]Grenades and melee[/i]. Grenades are okay in PvP or at least they're what everyone screamed for the last two years. Melee is really bad. Three hits to kill and you have to be so far up in their business it's almost obscene. In PvE both are essentially useless. [i]Scout Rifles[/i]. These just feel really bad. They need either a damage buff or much larger magazines because outside of the Heavy hitting omolon (blanking on the name), there isn't really any situation where a hand cannon or pulse aren't a better option. [i]Grenade Launchers[/i]. Know Bungie said they're upping the damage, but they are so bad right now and more damage isn't going to stop them skipping past enemies. [i]Crucible[/i]. This one is tough because we had fun and did well in the new PvP and going back to D1's and playing Trials made me never want to play D1 PvP again... But that said, I think it is VERY fireteam dependent and I'm not sure how sustainable D2's PvP will be to solo players and the 4v4 for everything just sucks. Having to tell friends to they have to -blam!- off because there isn't room in PvP now just is not right and I believe there should be a 6v6 playlist just like the old Classic Playlists at the very least. [b]Edit[/b]: also the Control matches need to be to 100 and not timed. They're too short most of the time now. [i]The new weapon system[/i]. I love it and it's still one of my favorite changes, but I know many many don't and it's hurting the experience for them. I don't know what the answer is. They're going to have more heavy drop and that is a start along with better enemy balancing, but I still know it's going to hurt some players. I think allowing one power weapon to be mapped to a D pad in PvE would be a nice solution so players could still have that sniper/rocket option. I doubt it would ever be done, but this I think will be the hardest adjustment for those who didn't like the beta. [i]cooldowns[/i] I firmly believe these will be different at launch. I can't believe we'll go from D1's mayhem PvP and Nightfalls to supers every 7 1/2 minutes. I also don't believe our cooldowns will stay static from level 1 to cap. [i]Nova Bomb[/i]. The Slovabomb is a mess. The seekers can kill, but holy schnikes, good luck landing that big slow purple ball. It's too bad because outside of the super, I felt it was my second favorite class. I loved the charge up grenades and Warlock will probably be my second class just for them. [i]Golden Gun[/i] not sure, but felt like the super drained much faster in this build than the reveal. Either way, the 6 shot cluster is not a good PvP build and I think hurt people's experience with it in the beta. [i]Ammo bricks[/i] thank you to RWG for reminding me of this one. They're much brighter and stand out more in D1. Not sure why they're dulled down in D2, but they're not as easy to spot now.[/quote] The Sentinel: I think the timing for the shield activation and bubble placement are too close together. I was deploying bubbles very frequently. I think this variant has a useful melee since melee kills use melee energy as opposed to melee attacks and force barrier is granted to everyone that is nearby. Still not a fan of the striker, like, at all... I think the hunter gambler dodge has neat utility especially with the melee focused arc strider. I couldn't find a scenario that could fully take advantage of the heavy hitting nova, powering up grenades was neat. Hoping this nova variant can functionally replace shatter (killing raid tier shielded majors. The tarantella (linear fusion) was a lower impacting faster charging queen breakers bow, and a waste of power ammo drops. I'm hoping for a new simulant. I'm going to miss the stealth abilities of blade dancer. The 900 rpm SMGs feel quite potent. I felt like I could challenge a cabal mauler.

Scout rifles are pretty crap - grenades are ok - the assist system sucks though..... I hate defeated even on a team mates kill. Grenade launchers feel weak as fck and liked using the fusion rifles. Hoping they buff scouts and loved my cocoytus on d1

The only feedback I can think of from the beta is one word, "bland".