The hunter dodge is garbage.

[quote]With every post is the same thing:[/quote]That's a bold claim and some good clickbait. [quote]Charge rate for everything is beyond slow! [/quote]I don't miss the grenade/melee spam in PvP and supers are supposed to be super. One super ability that you can use to one shot most enemies in PvP per game is fine with me, especially with how short games/rounds are. PvE wise I would like to see them bumped up. [quote]4v4 is hated by "most"[/quote]It's a good thing you added that "most" because I think the community is pretty split on that one. I personally like 4v4 for competitive but not for quick play. Time will tell if we get other team sizes. This is a beta. [quote]Ammo drops is ummm useless/nonexistent[/quote]Luke Smith has already addressed this. [quote]Weapons are weak[/quote]In PvP or PvE? Balance can easily be changed and we don't know a thing about mods yet. Again, it's a beta. [quote]Sounds are horrible[/quote]Excuse me. Have you heard the menu music? Or how beefy the guns sound? The lower frequencies sound fantastic and the sound in this game is already widely regarded by streamers and YouTuber personalities as fantastic. If there is one thing that anyone should like about this game it is the sound. [quote]Jumps are outright stupid[/quote]Well they are almost exactly the same as Destiny 1 sooooo. If it's the new sounds you don't like, well, you'll get used to it (although I will say I like some of the jump sounds from Destiny 1 better (hunters in particular)). [quote]Miss the actual bubble[/quote]Nostalgia for sure, but the new one isn't that bad, it just doesn't seem to last as long. That can be tweaked though. [quote]Miss the actual nova[/quote]It's still there. It's just not unlocked because... it's a beta. [quote]Miss a useful Goldie[/quote]I assume you mean in PvE. I do think damage needs to be upped a bit but you also have six bullets default. The other skill tree also has increased damage and range as well as duration extension on kills. [quote]Majors are nothing but bullet sponges[/quote]Or our weapons are weaker. Still a beta. [quote]Did I mention: charge rates are ridiculously slow?[/quote]Yes. Yes you did. Did I mention that this is still a beta? [spoiler]Yes. Yes I did.[/spoiler] My conclusion is this. Don't judge a book by it's cover. Many of these are valid complaints and helpful feedback for Bungie. However, the way that this feedback is presented matters. This post sounds snarky and rude. That will not get you anything. Calm and collected feedback with well thought out points makes for a better post unless you are in OffTopic. In that case... Well you get the point. Edit: The "This Week At Bungie" post has come out and already some of my hopes for changes have been addressed. They are listening.

"Welcome to a game without fun." -Luke Smith, 2017

Problem is that most people made these complaints before the Beta even came out. There's literally no way to actually know if people are actually giving criticism or just regurgitating something they read a month ago. I say that because half the stuff up there is hilarious. lol

No. Bungie stopped listening after TTK April Update.

The only problem I have with your post is sounds. The graphics and sound team did an amazing job. You can moan and complain to your hearts content about everything but those two.

It doesn't matter what is said on these forums or on Reddit. Bungie will refer to their spreadsheets and their statistics and make changes based upon things operating in a vacuum. If being here since early in Y1 has taught me anything it's that Bungie has and always will do whatever they want to this game regardless of how vocal the forums/Reddit may be.

I can't understand why Bungie would take almost everything that made Destiny stand out from other fps games and nerf them all.

Sure they will listen, but let's take a look at what happened shortly after the Dark Below DLC was released. Players erupted in the forums about having to re-level gear they had just spent the previous 3 months leveling up. Deej was sent to quiet the storm by Announcing that Bungie would do a better job of respecting our time. Only for them to do the complete opposite of respecting our time 9 months later and release the Taken King DLC which made all our gear up to that point irrelevant. Yet many players still bought the DLC. So sure they are listening, but they are telling themselves it doesn't matter what people are saying cause players will buy the game regardless of the complaints. If players don't buy Destiny 2 and it effects their wallets then changes will be made! If enough players buy the game anyways, they will change very little. The power to truly affect change is in our hands, and it's in our wallets!

I believe it was Forbes magazine that reports that Bungie listens...in their own way.... In the same way that a waiter/chef listens to you when you return a steak that wasn't cooked to order. Instead of giving us what we want, they give us what THEY think we SHOULD get. And therein lies the problem. I got into Destiny because i loved the FPS perspective, the grind for incredible, difference-making loot, and the space magic. And it seems like D2 has removed EVERYTHING that I loved about the game except the FPS perspective. Destiny isn't the ONLY FPS on the market, but it was the ONLY one that I was aware of that did Space Magic and fun/powerful weapons so well. And then Y2 happened, and we got the non-sensical PVP balancing which also impacted PVE. Quite honestly, instead of telling the players "this game isn't Halo, its not meant to be ultra competitive or super balanced, it's a lootgrinder" - which would have alienated maybe 10%-15% of their population, they've decided to say "this game is a pure FPS, not a lootgrinder. But at least we'll have a better story and more PVE activities...." Translation? This game is going to have less Space Magic and Less insane, high-tech and powerful weaponry for the sake of balance, but at least we'll have MORE and BIGGER hamster wheels to run on. But will we have any incentive to run them repeatedly? Not without the incredible difference-making loot. Basically, PVE just became a unique way to unlock weaponry. Instead of having to get X amount of kills with Y gun in PVP in order to unlock a gun, you simply have to do a PVE exercise a few times to get it instead. Overall, they've stripped away what makes Destiny Destiny in order to make it like EVERYTHING else on the market. And most of us would not be here on Destiny if we wanted a game that was like everything else on the market.

The few people on these forums do not make up the entire community. Many people are happy about it and just chose not to say anything about it.

Fact is: However Destiny 2 will or could look in the final state, people will or would complain about everything, hate everything and EVERYTHING was better in Destiny 1.

the state of these forums has never been and will never be an accurate representation of our community.

[quote]With every post is the same thing: Charge rate for everything is beyond slow! 4v4 is hated by "most" Ammo drops is ummm useless/nonexistent Weapons are weak Sounds are horrible Jumps are outright stupid Miss the actual bubble Miss the actual nova Miss a useful Goldie Majors are nothing but bullet sponges Did I mention: charge rates are ridiculously slow? Did I forget anything repeated over and over by the community? Also let me add to title: "Will Bungie listen", and actively test changes to community's concerns? Will they also let us know our voices are heard? I've seen Cozmo in forums so props to him but no response other than "will let developers know".[/quote] If I'm not mistaken the original nova is a locked perk in the beta. It's the vortex perk. I also heard there's an option for a 3 shot goldie just not in the beta. Also there's a bubble just hold down the super activation. There's no blessing or weapons of light just Armor. Sounds are great in my opinion. Charge rates for abilities are perfect. Only the super needs just a little bit quicker charge time. Also I love 4v4. I can see why some may not like it.

You are the first person i've heard complain about the sound. Care to elaborate for someone who hasn't jumped in yet?

Salt

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Edit: I hit post by mistake, I don't mean that to discount anything you said. I won't be buying because I agree with everything you've said. that's the only way they'll listen.