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[quote]Immediately after Obama won the 2008 election, there were several cases involving destruction of property and even violence towards other humans. "Obama dolls" were set up hanging from trees, a black church was set on fire, and the most well known instance of violence was when Kaylon Johnson, who was wearing an Obama t-shirt, was attacked and beaten by three men shouting phrases such as "n***er president" and "f*ck Obama". Not to mention the endless amount of death threats and calls for the assassination of Obama. I believe all of this is on a similar level to what liberals have been doing recently, and neither of these events are justifiable.[/quote] Very few cases it's like two or three but nowhere did you prove they were conservative. You assume I'm going to fall for the "they were racists so they must be conservative " narrative. I'm not that stupid please don't insult my intelligence
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  • I assume that because they were against Obama, a Democrat, they were probably Republican, and almost certainly conservative. Not trying to insult your intelligence.

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  • [quote]I assume that because they were against Obama, a Democrat, they were probably Republican, and almost certainly conservative. Not trying to insult your intelligence.[/quote] That's a stretch to say the least. Never assume facts get you further plenty of democrats hated Obama also.

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  • For the sake of this debate in which we aren't really using any sources, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that they were conservative.

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  • [quote]For the sake of this debate in which we aren't really using any sources, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that they were conservative.[/quote] That's because you've been painted A Narrative of racism that it's somehow coincides with conservatism which is completely false. Some of the biggest racist in this country were progressives it was the Democratic party that wanted to keep slavery they created the KKK and voted against the Civil Rights Act. Hitler was a socialist and a racist so historically racism has been very common with the left. Does that mean that there are no racists Republicans? No all I'm doing is showing that you can't assume things like that

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  • Your statements about Democrats, slavery, and the KKK are correct, however, since the Civil War and creation of the KKK, the ideologies of the Republican and Democratic parties have actually switched. So the rightists of today are the leftists of yesterday, and vice versa. Hitler was a socialist, but socialism is not included in the ideology of today's Democratic Party. I'm not trying to defend liberals or attack conservatives. Going back to my original argument, both sides have a history of violence, and I think there is adequate historical proof out there to back this claim.

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  • [quote]Your statements about Democrats, slavery, and the KKK are correct, however, since the Civil War and creation of the KKK, the ideologies of the Republican and Democratic parties have actually switched. So the rightists of today are the leftists of yesterday, and vice versa. Hitler was a socialist, but socialism is not included in the ideology of today's Democratic Party. I'm not trying to defend liberals or attack conservatives. Going back to my original argument, both sides have a history of violence, and I think there is adequate historical proof out there to back this claim.[/quote] False parties never switched. It's observably false and has been a long loud myth in this country so I don't blame you for not knowing. So let's assume these folks were republicans just sonic can make this point. So one or two incidents vs hundreds? Ya apples and oranges

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  • The parties most definitely switched. How do do the Democrats go from creating the KKK immediately after the Civil War to putting Obama into office? And how do the Republicans go from electing Lincoln to electing Trump, two politicians who's ideas differ in countless ways? There is much more proof of the switch than this, if you ever care to look into it. Also, 2-3 instances? Really? Are you exaggerating for effect, or are you being serious? You could probably find 2-3 in the last year. Do you really believe that conservatives have been that peaceful over the years, because that's plain incorrect.

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  • [quote]The parties most definitely switched. How do do the Democrats go from creating the KKK immediately after the Civil War to putting Obama into office? And how do the Republicans go from electing Lincoln to electing Trump, two politicians who's ideas differ in countless ways? There is much more proof of the switch than this, if you ever care to look into it. ----no there isn't I'm the kind of person who wouldn't say this unless it was true. Look it up Google is at your fingertips. It's pretty simple really the country is less racist it would be political suicide to be a racist political party this day and age. In fact their narrative switched under LBJ he said "I'll have every n***** voting democrat for the next 200 years" he was talking about his massive welfare expansion under the new deal. You have racist democrats all the way up until recently history like hillary's good friend byrd Also, 2-3 instances? Really? Are you exaggerating for effect, or are you being serious? You could probably find 2-3 in the last year. Do you really believe that conservatives have been that peaceful over the years, because that's plain incorrect.[/quote] ----there are no instances of conservative violence within this last year the citations you gave were talking about when Obama was elected the fact of the matter is conservitives just aren't violent in nature. I can list thousands of cases of leftist violence going back more than a hundred years around the world.

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  • Alright, it's clear that my message isn't getting through, and neither of us are changing our positions any time soon, so how about we agree to disagree and call it a day.

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