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Edited by Mad Max:
5/2/2017 11:17:11 PM
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Why don't conservatives support abolishing the Electoral College?
Let's look at California - my home state, home of 17.8 million registered voters, holder of 55 electoral votes, and a reliably-blue state in presidential elections.
Because of the population centers of [url=http://i.imgur.com/87MmuRg.png]San Francisco, Los Angeles, and [to a lesser extent] San Diego[/url], they pretty much dictate where CA's 55 votes will go, which means the inland areas and central coast don't have a voice in presidential elections.
If we abolished the Electoral College, this would mean that the oft-trampled conservative and Republican voters in California would have a voice in national elections.
This seems like something that conservatives would support. Why isn't it something I hear them talking about?
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I think votes should be separated among single member US-Congressional districts, should legislation be passed that makes gerrymandering illegal. This would work in a similar fashion that the Nebraska system works.
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Yep. It's absurd for opposition voters in states that always vote one way or another, because their vote really does mean nothing. And ultimately, the same goes for any opposition voter of the party that wins any state. I may be wrong with this, but I think Republicans are such big fans because it grants more power to traditionally Republican states. Which is stupid. Now if Republicans start complaining that 'coastal liberals' would start dominating elections without the EC, I don't see how that's a problem in principle: it would be a case of one vote per person. It would be the fairest possible system. Maybe then Republican policy wouldn't be so divisive.
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21 RepliesThey don't want to abolish it because a majority of the country is liberal/left leaning so they know they would lose the election.
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1 ReplyAnother point: The electoral college means that presidential candidates only need to care about states that can swing either way. If your state always votes red or always votes blue, they don't give two shits about you.
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ITT: - Electoral College or direct election of a head of state with presidential powers are the only two forms of government known to man, apparently - Certainly you could never ever balance regional interests such as by having an upper house of legislature whose membership is composed of equal numbers of representatives from each region - Democracy is undemocratic because reasons lmao
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8 RepliesThe more you post, the more it appears you are being paid to try and warp the minds of kids.
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1 ReplyThe electoral college exists for a similar reason that China doesn't get extra votes in the UN. The states are separate entities from each other, and the electoral college exists so that the states don't gain too much power over each other. The main goal of it is to try and close the gap between large and small states. Arguably outdated, as the state's independence from the fed has dwindled considerably since the drafting of the constitution. Also, our presidential election isn't even the biggest offender of this, the Senate is far worse in terms of inproportional representation, and the House is manipulated heavily through gerrymandering. People aren't represented evenly in any branch of the US federal government, and you're focusing on the electoral college because Trump hurts your feelings
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2 RepliesIn general, I think that the word college sends a chill up most conservatives spines as it is. Also, it's the only reason their pathetic man child of a president won the election.
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35 RepliesI'm no Conservative but I don't support the abolition of the Electoral College. I don't think entire elections should be determined by large, Democratic, cities that are out of touch with the rest of the country. Let's look at it from a smaller scale. I live in NY. Practically the entire state is red by county outside of Albany county and those near the city. Yet it is always considered a blue state simply because of the population of NYC. People in NYC do not share the same values as those outside of the city. Often times, legislation is made because of beliefs held in the city alone that can have a negative effect on the rest of the state. This is similar to what we would see if the electoral college were to be abolished. We can't switch things to a popular vote because we can't have large, Democratic cities determining the outcome for the entire country. Obviously Democrats are pushing for this after the election, however all it would do is ensure that Democrats would win every time. To pretend that isn't the goal of pushing for the popular vote to be in place but rather that it would be the most fair system is a ruse.
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1 ReplyWhy weren't democrats until Trump won?
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Democrats need better candidates not a new voting system. Trump is a dumpster but Hillary is a dumpster fire.
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You don't have to abolish the Electoral College when you can make Dem-controlled cites independent states.
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19 RepliesI'm okay with it being abolished as a conservative. It's a pretty silly process.
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Because then it would be mob rule. And that's not good regardless of side.
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5 RepliesBecause a big chunk of republican voters live in low density areas and the electoral college takes away their inflated voting power
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3 RepliesAlso, Max makes a good point here. Those of you that senselessly down vote him are bad and u should feel bad.
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28 RepliesIt's sad people like max are a majority here. Yes I live in California also hopefully I never meet him. ..he'd probably rat me out for having an adjustable stock on my ar-15
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10 RepliesBecause the electoral college is the truest form of Representation possible. The fact you cannot see this is due to your socialistic view on things. The states Choose a president, based on the individual demographics that vote within every state. Rather than California and New York deciding every year.
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uh the electoral college works, this recent election demonstrates that. states have a proportionate say..each individual does not have a direct say - each state does..thats y candidates, as crooked as they r, need to win the popular vote in each state..the collective popular vote is a false statistic - it contradicts the very nature of our government's design. 👌🏻[i]yay we did it ya'll[/i]👌🏻
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1 Replyhttp://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html I suggest you look at this to see why it was created and why it is still needed. The electoral college doesnt just become something you can cast aside when your preferred presidential candidate loses because of it. Direct democracies and the rule of the mob is what quickly leads to the degradation of a country into a dictatorship. Many founders on both sides of the political spectrum feared that a direct democracy would result in a failure of the republic very quickly. Hence the electoral college and so many other checks out of this fear. I mean why have two different sets of representatives for each state? This was done to give the states power both based on population and equal representation. If it was only based off of representation the Senate would not exist and you would have big states dictating national law for all others. Thats why the Senate is there so states like Alaska are not trampled over by laws that have no effect on them. They may still lose out even with equal representation but without it why stay apart of the union? States need powers and representation in the legislative branch and executive branch, its something that protects smaller states, balances the playing field between states, and prevents a mob rule through a direct democracy.
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1 ReplyEdited by mccwrc09: 5/4/2017 1:18:20 PMHow about we fix the system before we destroy it?
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9 RepliesThe electoral college is idiotic. If you win the right states, you can become president with only 17% of the popular vote. This is because even if you win a state by 1 vote, you still get all of the points for it.
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They don't need to when they Gerrymandered the crap out of all the other states.
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Hmm... I wonder. If the election had be reversed, I can guarantee they would be talking about it. lol.
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6 RepliesEvery State has the right to be represented. Popular vote would exclude the smaller states. Thus what others are trying to tell you in order to modify the constitution you would need every state to get off its ass and work together to achieve such a thing. Max you realize conservatives do not make up the whole of america. Thus this proves you have no clear understanding of how even your state does politics. Thus how can you ask every single state when your state is at one another throat for attention or special treatment to pass through congress an amendment of Modifying the Electoral collage and amend the constitution its self. You have a better chance of winning the cali lotto then dumping the Electoral collage for some other form electing a president. Like example a debate. The only way would be for every one to agree some how. The Electoral Collage is here to stay and the states are able to figure out how they vote for POTUS.
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4 RepliesI'd like to see how a percentage system would work for electoral votes. It would give third party candidates a little bit more of an ability to have an impact on an election.
