Yesterday a couple of my friends asked if I could help them do the NTTE quest on the step where you need to kill Atheon. I started playing Destiny in TTK, and was away the past week so have never actually run VoG. I said yes and joined the party. We needed a checkpoint at Atheon so one of the randos went on lfg, joined someone elses and left. It then dawned on me what a complete a--hole he was. I told everyone that I'd never done Atheon, and almost all of the way he was complaining about what other people were using and generally being a dick to me and the other newbie. He was always first to blame someone else for a wipe (even though the only times we died was because someone missed an oracle). We finished it after about 5 tries and we booted him shortly afterwards. [spoiler]One time we wiped from oracles and he said it couldn't have been him because of his subclass build[/spoiler]

i remember being hleped by a very kind guardian named [spoiler]Dwyer[/spoiler]. was a funny brit and had a handfull of good times raiding with him and his party.. if you read this, i just wanna say thanks buddy ").

These things are great fun when you're in the mood. And a goddam nightmare when you aren't.

Nice post. I've only done two raids in my life. Wish I was not so scared of getting booted. I would probably try it more often

Not many people can wield the mighty hammer that is the fatebringer

30-40ish wipes?? Man, I got kicked cause I messed up 3 times [b]mess up 1) [/b]supplicant in front of the gate when I jumped out [b]mess up 2) [/b]got teleported and everybody just ran and started shooting sh*t, so I had to take relic (while I told them before inviting me, I'm not good with it) [b]mess up 3)[/b]shot my sleeper just as someone placed his bubble and killed myself Lol, they wasn't having it man. Kicked my *ss

Wow you are such a nice person! Wish the world had more people like! Is that what you wanted to hear?

[quote]Raided some virgins last night[/quote]

VoC > Fatebringer

Good on you. A lot of people forget that in order for new raiders to get that experience so many demand for their groups, they actually have to [b]accumulate the experience[/b]. You can watch videos until you pass out, but that doesn't turn someone into a competent raider. Not to mention that many people learn better from experience in the moment and from situations that allow them to ask questions or get suggestions based on their available equipment(something no video can do). I get that nobody wants to really deal with the frustration of inexperienced teammates, but those same teammates could easily be molded into excellent ones with just a little help and experience.

Meanwhile I was playing with fellow raid vets and it took us 2 1/2 hours to beat Templar, and we never even made it to Atheon.

Aaaaatheon

I have a great "raid rehab" story recently as well. I'd spent a few weeks really excited to get back into VoG; the Crota featured raid was fun and a great warm-up but the Vault was always first in my heart. So it was with great excitement that I joined my clan for an attempt last Tuesday night. And boy did I SUCK. I mean terribly. We struggled SO badly with the Templar, hell we struggled with Confluxes and Oracles just getting TO that encounter, and I was a big part of that, couldn't stay alive no matter what I tried. I was getting straight-up carried and finally I rage quit, couldn't even sleep because I was fuming over it so badly. So a couple days pass and my endlessly patient clan friends talk me back into giving the Templar another go. Almost the same exact thing; I struggled and a couple other guys did too and it was a horrible experience, again. I wanted to cry; my favorite video game activity maybe ever and I was unable to enjoy it any longer because I was such a scrub. I've always been a scrub, of course, but I could at least survive encounters usually. Not this go-round. Twice in the intervening days I'd highlight my characters on the login screen, my fingers dancing over the "delete" button. I just felt like if I couldn't handle the vault anymore, what was the point? Might as well take up something on my skill level like Barbie's Horse Adventures, maybe. I was borderline depressed, and over a freakin' video game, and that felt terrible too. So night before last it's 2 AM and I'm just signing off after half-heartedly running some bounties when my friend messages me to help him and a crew he was with on Atheon. I knew I wasn't going to be much help and I needed to go to bed but they were stuck, just needed a 6th body to shoot one oracle and I thought why not. So over an hour and 15-20 wipes later we are still in the struggle but for once I'm not the one messing shit up. Just along for the ride and doing my job. I didn't have a Sleeper so I was messing up their "kill him in one teleport" strat so we switched to trying to do it in 2 teleports instead, little more conservative. Long story short (less long, anyway), third or 4th time we try that, Time's Vengeance ended with Atheon having NO visible health in his bar, one dies, 3 teleport away, and in the midst of everyone's groans of anguish me and the remaining guy outside are still hitting him, warlock starts pelting him with Viking Funeral grenades and while on the run from Atheon's shots I raise my Event Horizon and put the last 3 rounds right into his crit spot, and triple tap procs, I hear that round shuck into the chamber, and in a moment where time slows to a crawl, I prayed to any gods that would listen and put that round right where it needed to be and saw Atheon melt away just as I fell to his splash damage. I didn't have any sniper or heavy left; it was literally the last possible moment. And it felt great and I got TONS of good loot too (thanks, Knuckles of Eao). That one moment erased all the bad stuff, all the wipes and humiliation, to be "clutch" just once was enough. And I found out after the fact that 3 of the guys we were running with were like yourself, already finished their challenges and were just running to help other guardians. I thanked them profusely as I thank you and everyone else who takes a little time to help someone, even at something that "doesn't matter", like a video game, because you never know if the guy behind that unknown gamertag might just need something like that, to get that feeling of camaraderie and accomplishment. Goofy as it sounds, beating Atheon was something I needed, to dispel the sense that I just couldn't even have fun with my hobby, that I was a burden on my friends. So cheers to the guardians who help scrubs like me find their "moment".

I agree. The speaker and his bs accent can take a hike. We are the ones that went into the vault, we are the ones that told that fool about atheon, he should pronounce it the way we say it.

The trick to Fatebringer is to use Explosive Rounds. If you are one of the "what's-the-big-deal" folks, run explosive rounds, shoot enemies in the head, and watch as Firefly + Explosive Rounds can kill a group of red-bar enemies with one bullet. After that happens a few times... you will have your "ah ha" moment...

Nitpicking but how is the speaker a moron? because we NEVER heard them say atheon so we decided what was right? Like Kabr. I was saying that differently as well.