[quote]Funny how Triplewreck started calling for their nerf last week and suddenly something everyone can use that performs the same for everyone and has been a non-issue since launch, and is FUN, is now being looked at and on a list to be nerfed.[/quote] I'm a Gunslinger main. I haven't been able to stick anyone since 6/14/2016. How stupid is that? The sticky grenade with the LEAST magnetism and HIGHEST propensity to kill its own user got nerfed. I'm not calling for the nerfing of other sticky grenades, just pointing out this fact. This is what happens when you knock over Special Weapons. People inevitably look for the next fastest methods for killing someone. Sticky grenades, grenades, supers, heavy, they're all next in line. I disagree with your notions that nobody needs to lose their jobs over the balancing patches. We keep allowing the same people to do the same exact thing over and over and over again, and we keep expecting different results. That's the very definition of insanity! If the sandbox team is entirely incapable of changing their balancing philosophy or giving PVE players the proper respect they deserve, then it's time to get a new sandbox team. Until they do this, we can't expect different results. [Edit] Can we just get it all over with already and give EVERY single guardian god mode/invincibility in PVP so that nobody has to die to anything? And every PVP match can end in a 0-0 tie? I don't think that the PVP community will be happy until something extreme like this shows exactly how ridiculous they are when it comes to their crying about dying in PVP.

I respectfully disagree with this thread. I feel bungie does a great job balancing the game. What they do not do is a great job communicating and remaining transparent with the community about their grand scheme. I see a portion of the community essentially dissatisfied with every single balance patch that comes out for one reason or another. Though I may not agree with the specific way the game recently changed, I feel they did an awesome job changing things up. They will never be able to make everyone happy. [quote] [b]Who exactly are Bungie balancing Destiny for?[/b] [/quote] If you haven’t realized it after nearly three years, they are adjusting the mechanics of the game such that graphs of each weapon/ability etc are distributed in a evenly in a statistical form as proof the game is balanced. There is no other way to balance a game with this other than using empirical data. You cannot balance a game like this off subjective data. Every single time the community overuses something it gets taken down so that other weapons/abilities are used in their place. Even though this game is entirely about the fastest time to kill, they don’t want everyone using the same thing. I 100% agree with this philosophy. No matter what happens, no matter that current meta, people will ALWAYS find the most efficient way to kill stuff in a first person shooter. This will lead people to using the same-old loadouts over time. I do not want to play a game where everyone is using the same stuff. [quote] honestly I think this statement shows how little Bungie understand about why players love playing their characters so much. [/quote] 100% disagree with this. I think they fully understand given the amount of criticism they receive. Bungie is forced in between a rock and a hard place when taking actions to balance the game. Why would they want to make the game such that everyone will ultimately settle with the same subclass, same weapons, and same playstyle over time and not do anything to change it? They are essentially required to change the game up at some point or it will get boring. Over time people will figure out the most efficient wat to kill stuff no matter the meta. [quote] Sticky grenades have been in the game since launch. They've [b]never[/b] been a problem. So why now? And why are sticky grenades suddenly an issue? [/quote] As I said before; no matter what happens, no matter that current meta, people will ALWAYS find the most efficient way to kill stuff in a first person shooter. Right now, in this meta where special ammo is scarce as it has ever been, people are scrambling to get their one-shot-kills in any manner they can. One-shot-kills are king in PVP, and will always be until bungies decides to remove that feature from the game altogether. Lacking special ammo, the next best place to get said kills is with abilities. Combine that with the nerf to armor, and you can clearly see why people are choosing sticky especially given the absurd tracking that has always been there. The tracking on sticky has always been an issue. However, in previous metas a sticky grenade was not necessarily the best choice. A sticky used to not be able to kill a high armor guardian. Now they can. There used to be shotgun warriors around every corner. Now there isn’t, so people can peek out with the quickness and throw a sticky faster than you can counter with a sidearm.

We all have the same weapons and abilities. Frustrated? Well then own your game and improve your skill... because nerfs apply to everyone, including you. Bump.

They are balancing the game for the casual players and SBMM is to protect them from skilled players. SBMM frustrates upper tier players because of how bad the connections in P2P become when you have such a limited pool of players to matchmake. To be fair, this game is NOT competitive so it really should be ALL CBMM and then maybe I could find a game that isnt in progress or doesnt take a solid 5 minutes to get players together. And the answer is NOT private matches. Sticky grenades need to have the aim assist removed, it should have never been in the game to begin with. They are extremely easy to use and provide a OHK and should operate more like tripmines used to (which is a whole other topic). But my problem with the incoming sticky nerf is that they are eventually going to nerf everything because people get killed in PVP. And that is a terrible mindset, everyone cannot have a great time in PVP all the time. It is the nature of the beast, there is risk and reward. Sometimes gunfights do not go your way, it doesnt mean the gun the other guy is using should explode in his hand on the third shot. Balance the weapons, the abilities, and subclasses. Look at the crucible objectively, not "this gun is being used by 60% of people so it needs a nerf." Bring other weapons and abilities UP.

They just don't get it. They don't get it at all. They seem to want to target the .8-1.2 second TTK mark, however..... they have 2 weapon slots that kill 33% faster than that, and in turn have repeatedly, i will say it again, [b]repeatedly[/b] nerfed special weapons/heavy weapons/abilities/heavy ammo/special ammo to push players toward the weapons that fall in this TTK range, while actually doing nothing to bring all of their weapons in line with that vision. Clearly at this point they will need to choose. Nerf everything to fit in the .8-1.2 sec TTK OR Buff Primary weapons to compete directly with other weapon slots. When we look at what the players are actually using, they appear to WANT a faster TTK, a faster game, a MORE LETHAL crucible. Then those same players come here and say "we don't want CoD, keep primary TTKs horrible" Then they turn right around equip a Universal Remote/Sidearm and run a .5-.8 sec TTK loadout. It's ridiculous. I'll keep saying it. The eternal special weapon meta, is a side effect of weak primaries. The constant screwing around with everything that isn't a primary weapon, at this point, makes about as much sense as a [b]football bat[/b]. In fact it's extremely telling that people would rather equip a No Land Beyond in the most "competetive" (lol) mode in the game, Trials, over any other primary. This is a joke right? The No Land Beyond is preferred over every other primary in the game? How sad is that? [b][u]Here is my recommendation.[/u][/b] 1. Need a patch that makes Universal Remote/No Land Beyond/Vex Mythoclast so that they aren't affected by Small Arms, and in stead are affected by Specialist. Sleeper Simulant is now effected by Specialist [quote] This is do achieve a few goals. It'll make more options for unique load-outs when specialist is up in weekly playlists. Also, To prevent people from getting body shot killed by the NLB from the next suggestion.[/quote] 2. Following this patch, Bring us a Small Arms Clash weekly playlist. Offer a special reward for participating in <X> number of matches. (I would prefer Small Arms IRON BANNER Clash) [quote]This will give us a chance to see the game with powerful and deadly primaries. It will give you turds the necessary data to make what will likely be a poor decision.[/quote] Just do it. I promise no one will die. (in real life) Imagine it. Handcannons 2 banging everyone Autos killing people in 5 or less shots All pulses 2 bursting Scouts 2-3 shotting It would be sooooo much fun.

bungie needs to nerf sparrows, my friend killed me with his and it ruined my whole destiny experience. I've sold the game and now i'll make a thirty paragraph post saying that I quit destiny.

In many ways, the problem isn't those streamers. (I've never, will never watch that shite, and I'm sure they are a bunch of worthless individuals.) The problem is all the brown nosers, the village idiots, the mouthbreathing basementdwelling wastes of resources that watch them. Arseholes watching arseholes....

I've had an issue with sticky grenades since day one. You can miss by 10 feet and still stick the guy. I remember back in the days of Halo, and other FPS in that time period, when sticky grenades had no magnetism or aim assist or any of that. It took real timing and skill to throw a plasma grenade and get someone on the head. You were proud of yourself that you actually killed the guy with a plasma. Nowadays, you just need to be in the general vicinity and you get the sticky kill. It's cheap and casual. As someone who could land plasma grenades in Halo, the current sticky grenades in Destiny are laughably easy to use. And there's no proud feeling. Just being glad that your throw was close enough to trigger the magnetism, and feeling frustrated when you're killed by stickies because they're so easy to use. Back in Halo? You couldn't zip past a doorway, throw a sticky, trigger magnetism because it was only close to the guy, and then be 10 feet away by the time it goes off. The person could actually dodge the grenade in Halo, or you'd just miss entirely. Suppression Grenades are fine though. Just hunker down, sprint away, or go for headshots. Lightning Grenades need a change though. You can be 500 miles away and still get hit. That lightning bolt that shows isn't the real damage cone and range. It goes on longer and wider than that.

See this is where it is all wrong people get on here pointing fingers at each other and being toxic towards each other all day everyday. If you feel like pointing a finger loaded with blame point it in the correct direction, streamers play the game like everyone else, it is not the casuals,streamers,sweats,hardcore that are ruining the game if you want to point the correct direction point it at bungie not each other they are the ones that deal with the coding of the game just saying .

I think bungie needs to do a lot of tweaking on the one hit kill weapons. Mainly these fusion grenades, nlb, wombo combo, etc. Yes, all grenades can be frustrating to deal with but they are not one hill kill weapons. Giving one hit kill potential to fusions, and making them exceptionally easy to use reduces the skill gap in this game. The same goes for wombo combo. People complain because the feature is so easy to use and puts you at a disadvantage if you're not using it. They need to be a lot more careful BEFORE releasing these one hit kill weapons and do a lot more testing on them so that they get released relatively balanced.