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Edited by DOTx3: 3/2/2016 11:38:50 PM
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Abortion...who gets a say?

Women should be the only ones to make the choice of parenthood

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Men should be able to choose to be a father or not.

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I like touchy subjects, they are have many interesting elements that makes them a subject worth discussing. Abortion is such a subject. This is not about whether it's right or wrong, but who should have a say about the subject. Many people try to say only women should...but as they say it takes two to tango. Some like to say it's the women's body so only they get a say. This is obviously false, when you get pregnant you a sharing you body with a being that is partly your other half. So who should get a say? Should the male be forced to take all responsibility? Logically there is no way to force an abortion. There's no way to humanly do such a thing. Morally or otherwise. So technically the question is already answered. But to truly make it equal I believe that if the man wants no child or nothing to do with the female then he shouldn't be forced to pay child support and interact with the mother in question. Before people hate on me for being a MRA or a misogynist, you'd be wrong. I'm for equality for EVERYONE. Female gets pregnant and doesn't want a child nor anything with the guy. No problem Same thing for the guy? Overall no real choice. Don't use "he should have used a condom" it's not always the guys fault. Hell condoms are barely more reliable then pulling out. So don't try to use that reasoning. Also don't use "shouldn't have had sex". Sex is more used as fun then for breeding. It's always been that way, despite many religions trying to make it seem like otherwise. So should being a father be a choice much like being a mother is? [spoiler]Personally I'm all for abortion, there are too many humans already.[/spoiler]
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  • Both the -blam!-ing parents god why do you all always try to make this a fight between females and males.

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    • Don't have fûcking sex unless you want a child, then these stupid problems would never exist.

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    • Edited by Fatality 144: 3/1/2016 5:24:17 PM
      The black and white attitudes on abortion is disgusting. The total pro abortion people are ones who wish to live with no consequences in their life. Had a one night stand with a stud and got pregnant? Just kill it then get back on that horse with someone else you "regret" getting with. They want all the benefits of sex but none of the consequences. Thats not how anything in reality works. Now is it safe to say that accidents happen, sure, however that does not mean you can magically get rid of that accident. If someone takes a drug and has a stroke when they were at risk and knew of the risk they are stuck with that brain damage. If you willingly take a risk and know of the risks you are responsible for your actions. One of the doritos ads during this recent super bowl was declared "anti abortion" because it showed a 9 month old baby coming out for doritos. [b]9 months old[/b] I thought babies werent babies until after 3 months of pregnancy? Now its nine months? Really? What about 3 years old, i mean they cant speak well or make decisions that makes them no different than animals right? Its sickening to see that a 9 month old pregnancy is declared anti abortion. Now i doubt anyone has kept reading because there are so many liberal sjw's here but the total anti abortion proponents are just as wrong. Pregnancy can be dangerous. Pregnancies can fail horribly and sometimes the woman and the baby are both in danger. Women get -blam!- and pregnancies can fail very easily. A total ban on abortion is lunacy. My mother had an abortion because she had a tubal pregnancy. If she tried to carry, lets just say him as it was very early too early to determine the sex, to term she certainly would have died and the baby would have as well. Is it right to let either suffer or even die when the diagnosis is obvious? No. No it is not. As i stated earlier women get -blam!-. It is not fair for them to be forced to carry the child of their attacker. Middle ground is needed in abortion. You cannot just abort babies simply because you want no consequences, it is a human life and it is your responsibility. However if there is a legitimate risk to either mother or child or both it must be taken into consideration and not be restricted. If it is forced upon a woman it is not her responsibility to keep the child of her attacker. The other argument is diseases and mutations. Personally i am mixed. If a baby will die shortly after its born or when it is young is it right to let it suffer? Yet at the same time abnormalities and deformities even genetic diseases cannot be wiped out entirely. And does a deformity instantly mean death? What if steven hawkings mother knew of his disease before he was born? What would have happened if she decided to abort one of the greatest minds we have? I cannot form a stance here but i know that eliminating any baby for every potential problem is wrong. Yet if it means death or an inhuman existence of pain and suffering then shouldnt we do something? I dont know nor do i know how you go about classifying and categorizing all of those issues. Men and womens rights and say on abortion and children should be equal. Yet it is not always that way. Lets say a woman pokes a hole in the condom or forces the discarded sperm into her womb. The man should not have financial responsibilities for being tricked. But killing the baby willy nilly is not right. Now lets say a woman has a child but is at risk of death for carrying. The man does not have the ability to say that she must keep the baby and risk a almost certain death. This becomes tricky as all parties must be taken into account. This post has gotten long so I will end it there. I am sure i will receive hate from both sides but its important to note that not everything is black and white. Extreme anti abortion is cruel and ignores real world problems while extreme pro abortion is just as cruel and creates a no consequence mentality at the cost of a life.

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      • Your mother should've gotten a say

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      • Edited by KandrosN7: 3/3/2016 1:40:20 AM
        I'm a guy and I think men don't deserve the right to choose. If you weren't daft and actually wrapped your shaft you wouldn't have experienced this issue in the first place. If it didn't work, buy better, or put on two for gods sake. And regardless whether it's used for pleasure or not, it's how we breed. Excuse nature if that's what happens. So if you don't wanna be a father, too bad. Maybe you should've kept your dick in your pants.

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        • I'm for abortion, but I think it sucks that the father is forced the responsibility. If the mother can dismiss it, the father should too. I'm no MRA and I don't want children, but I can really agree with that. Also not a MGTOW either.

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        • Edited by Art Vandelay: 3/3/2016 2:56:49 AM
          I don't understand why people think its wrong to have an abortion. Early on its not a human, its just a few cells. It doesn't have a brain then. It doesn't know if it exists or not. You disinfect your hands to kill bacteria. Its basically the same thing. Recently one of my friends ive known since childhood accidentally got his gf pregnant (he said he always wore a condom). He doesn't have a good job to support it, he barely can support himself, and she doesn't work at all. And the stupid bitch wouldn't get an abortion, even though her parents and the father's parents wanted it to be aborted. This is extremely selfish if you ask me. Basically one of them is going to have to starve and it most likely won't be the baby. My friend has literally gone depressed since he found out because he doesn't know what he's gonna do and is even on anti depressants now. In a situation like this the mother should have to have an abortion. Its just not fair to anyone. Not to the soon to be mother and father who have to give up everything and devote their entire life at a young age to this baby they didn't mean to have and that they cant afford. Its not fair to their parents who are obviously going to have to pay for this baby. And its not fair to the baby itself who will have to grow up with parents that can't even support it. IMO you should have to apply to have a baby to prevent situations like this. The parents should have to be ready to dedicate 18 years of their lives and should have steady incomes. So the baby can get raised properly by a mother and father that cares about them while also getting everything it needs to grow healthy.

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        • Edited by The Fallen Zyzz: 3/4/2016 11:52:02 AM
          A man should be able to choose whether or not he wants to be a father or not. Honestly, I think that allowing men to have an even say in the discussion on whether or not the abort a child is the only fair option. It is his genetic material, after all. The welfare system already has enough single mothers and their bastard children to care for. No sense making more. [spoiler]I would prefer it if people would just be responsible with their sexual habits, though. That way, we wouldn't really need abortion on the scale we have now.[/spoiler]

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        • *votes for option 1 to balance polls coz dumb post is dumb*

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        • The father should have the same time period to back out. If she wants to have the baby against the fathers will and the father puts in the paperwork within the abortion time. She would be giving up any legal right to his money or support. It's her choice and his life.

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          • Only the woman should have the choice. Her body, her rules. The man should have a say in if he pays for that child or not, if the woman decides against abortion.

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          • What about the baby? Oh wait... You bitch!

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          • By writes in order for this to be fair the choices should be: The woman can solely make the decision. The man can solely make the decision. It should be an agreed decision. Whoever has the coathanger.

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          • How about if you want an abortion get it I'm pro choice not pro one gender gets a choice

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            Here is one. If a mother wants an abortion but the father wants to keep the child should the mother be allowed to abort it. Consent of both parents should be needed for it to happen in my opinion

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          • 666 replies :$

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          • We see here that #offtopic is mainly male

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            • Sorry women but this a man's world

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            • I don't understand

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              • The baby should be the one

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              • How about they get fixed. If they don't want a kid but want to have sex then you should get fixed.

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              • Edited by Reylo_Romance: 3/3/2016 2:17:35 AM
                It's not just a body issue. A man can cut off his penis if he wants to. A woman could cut up her vagina if she wants to. There is a growing human in a woman's body. Call it a fetus if you want. If it is undisrupted, it will be a fully fledged person with thoughts and feelings. If an unborn child wasn't important enough to be considered a human, then why kill it? ITS NOT JUST HER BODY!!!!!! God damn these posts completely ignoring the most important variable of a life.

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              • Edited by bfrag2k: 3/2/2016 3:40:21 PM
                How about... Not allowing arbitrary abortion? Sex is biologically for reproducing. If you have it for arbitrary reasons (for the good feeling), and get pregnant because of it, you shouldnt be able to get an arbitrary abortion just because you dont feel like having a baby after having sex for the feeling. Having sex shouldnt be seen as such a trivial thing. If you partake in it, you should be responsible enough to deal with yohr horribly idiotic decision. Dont bring someone into the world, and yes its a person once the zygote is formed because it is almost garunteed to become a human with modern medicine, if you cant be grown up enough to bear it. If your parents got divorce, you wouldnt be around. Grow up enough to realize the sacrifice, responsibility, love, compassion, and selflessness your parents had to have to raise and at least be mature enough to do the same and raise a child of your own, the least you can do is give it up for adoption to a family that will actually love it and give it the care it needs. [spoiler]im 15 and male, if you are going to counter argue me by trying to discredit me personally, i just made it that much easier[/spoiler] Dont get me wrong, im allllll for abortions when they are needed or in actually justified situations, but not an arbitrary abortion by some 19 year old cause she couldnt keep legs shut at a college party after consuming copious amounts of alcohol.

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                • Where is the "They both got to agree cause they both gotta want to be a parent" option?

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                  • Edited by Braun700: 3/3/2016 12:32:38 AM
                    Why don't we wait until the baby grows to a age that can understand reason and responsibility then ask them to decide if they wish to be aborted. [spoiler]Problem solved[/spoiler] [spoiler]Now before anyone hates my response, think about this, we abort old people all the time by pulling the plug. It is the same argument.[/spoiler]

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