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Edited by gr8b8:
11/25/2015 8:11:01 PM
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Yes, snipers are becoming a slight issue
So before I start, I'll say this before anyone else does.
Yes, I love to use a shotgun
Yes, I have a .97 KD (learning to play pvp took it's toll)
Yes, I main a hunter (since apparently using a specific class makes me whiny?)
Hell yeah, I used thorn like crazy when it was king.
If you're going to ignore the post and comment about how these are "the only things you see on the forums now" and how I should just "stop whining and git gud", the back button is on the top left of your screen. Please click it.
I can agree that snipers are by far one of the weapons that take the most skill to use in this game. If you don't get that headshot, you'd better hope that you can lay off another body shot quick.
But here's the thing, the amount of "skill" they require really isn't all that much. Hell yeah, it requires a lot more skill than a shotgun ever did, but in reality it isn't that far off.
I can agree that shotguns needed a nerf, the range they were killing from *cough felwinters conspiracy* was ridiculous. But they were just nerfed so much that now all I see when I turn any corner in any map is a red glare. I legit have people quick scoping me from hand cannon range.
So I decided to give snipers a try. I watched all of TrueVanguards tutorials, practiced for 10 minutes, and went into a control match with my 1000 yards of aim assist. I did incredibly well, and continued to do so for 5-6 matches after until I switched to my shotty again.
Just to make this clear, I [b][u]DO NOT[/u][/b] think snipers need a nerf. They do what they're supposed to do, they kill from a long range. What I do think is that we need to introduce mechanics that make snipers actually feel like snipers and not a really long scout rifle that can 1 shot you in the head.
Things like:
- Weapons sway (hold your breath)
- Lower aim assist (let's be honest, almost all FPS have aim assist, but destinys is by far the most forgiving I've seen)
- Bullet curve
Some argue that snipers shouldn't have sway because "Bungie never did it in Halo". But let's be honest guys, Bungie never gave you a half assed story and unbalanced pvp in halo either, did they?
Some of you might not share the same thoughts I do, and that's fine, this is just my opinion. I just really wanted to write it out and see if anyone else thought the same way.
Edit- It's remarkable how many of you choose not to read the post.
Edit 2 - Neat link to a post I found and wanted to keep tabs on https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/175295633/0/0
Edit 3 - a lot of you disagree with the weapons sway, and I can definitely understand what you mean. Weapon sway is a bad idea
Edit 4 - For some reason you guys are ignoring the entire post and talking about aim assist. This post is not about aim assist. And yes, I know exactly what aim assist is.
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/175297958/0/0
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#Destiny
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I thought based on the comments I had seen on the forums that snipers were ruling PvP hands down. I haven't really played much PvP recently until this week's Iron Banner, and I have to say that snipers are NOT an issue. Sure, I've been sniped a bunch of times, but if I was going to compare the percentage of deaths to which secondary guns I was killed by, I think shotguns would be far and away in the lead. If you're getting sniped constantly, it's your problem. You need to learn to stay away from big open areas on sniping maps. And look for the telltale flash of light from the scope and take cover. You're leaving yourself out in the open too much. Snipers are not that hard to defend against. You just have to learn to be more aware.
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I can't understand these forums they complain about shotguns so they get nerfed now it's time to start on snipers so I'm assuming fusions be next
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1 ReplyIt's not snipers per-se it's the RR4. That weapon must be bugged. I'm getting killed by that in the same broke ass manner I used to get felwintered i.e it can hit my big toe and I die! I have one (don't use it) and the stats don't allow it to do that! I believe luck in the chamber is applying to all rounds fired instead of just one when it comes to snipers!
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Weapon sway os too realistic thus snipers would only be in hands of pro's leaving thousands of people to gtfo. Pvp only. Sway in pve would be strange.
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4 RepliesI kinda wish aim assist would be removed from PvP all together.
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Introduction to long. TL;DR
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4 RepliesThe bitching and whining never end...
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6 RepliesWhy are snipers a problem all of a sudden? They have not changed since the beginning. I struggling to find what the issue is. It's not hard to snipe, it has never been hard to snipe but it's like people (not necessarily the OP) just all of a sudden found a sniper, became decent with it and think it's need some adjustments. Is it because the shotgun nerf (removal of shot package etc) has people actually using their primaries and being snipe right down the sniping lane of pantheon, widows court etc.? Someone help me understand what the fuss is about snipers.
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2 RepliesSnipers/shotgun/ should be a primary weapon that's it. So many times I tried flank a sniper but bum! Pulsar or handcanon that the problem. People who are good at sniping are cowered from close to long distance.
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1 ReplyThis is not battlefield.
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snipers just need 0% aim assist! Problem solved.
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8 RepliesEdited by TheLastSeabass: 11/23/2015 10:20:26 AMI've seen plenty of artistic videos of "active snipers" and I can really appreciate the skill. However, most snipers in Destiny fall into the camp in back of map and/or pre-aim corridors and lanes category. I just played Shores of Time and 3 cowards sat in the far back of the map way past where heavy spawns near B sniping into the tunnel. Just today on a Destiny Reddit tweet there was this http://i.imgur.com/s1Q2H5F.gifv
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3 RepliesI respect your admissions however you admit to abuse of the most broken part of destiny pvp. So top criticise something that isn't remotely close to that quite frankly makes you a hypocrite. Lets be real, you made this because you're getting sniped a lot. There's a couple of circumstances where you get sniped: You entered into a sniper battle and lost You made a mistake and were punished The other guy is really good at sniping Pick one
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Edited by Sas: 11/23/2015 10:08:29 AMIIRC there's no bullet curve for snipers. AA isn't a big issue, but I wouldn't mind it max 20 for snipers. At all.
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5 RepliesWeapon Sway and bullet drop are awful ideas that don't belong in Destiny's gunplay. I could do with less aim assist and bullet magnetism. Yes. I main sniper. 80% headshot maybe in Trials, top 1% in avg kill distance, etc.
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U suk git gud skrub
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6 RepliesSnipers have as much skill as a shotgun user.....snipers are just too scared to get in the mix, that's all
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Snipers don't have bullet pull.
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/170566095/0/0 I disagree about Aim assist.
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1 ReplyTry telling an Exo to hold his breath
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2 RepliesSnipers are fine. Good enough to be used in Crucible. Stay out of sniper lanes.
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8 RepliesBullet curve is: 1. Lag 2. Angles at which you cannot see them but they can see you 3. A go to excuse for shotgunners
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Edited by NathanW18: 11/23/2015 3:22:00 AMAll of these changes in effect would kill sniper usage. Destiny is completley different to most shooters. The movement speed is huge thing. Everybody moves so fast. You also have abilities, which make you even harder to hit. All of these changes will make sniping a much slower process. You can't afford that in a game as fast moving as Destiny. The only thing I would accept is lower AA, but that is only going to make drag scoping a bit harder. People aiming at doorways are still going to wreck you as soon as you move through it. Many other shooters can have these things in place, because they aren't Destiny. They're slower moving shooters. They allow snipers to kill with body shots. They have larger maps, which allow snipers more freedom to do their thing. I don't believe snipers are any more of an issue than they have ever been. If they were so easy to use, everybody would be using them in regular Crucible. That just isn't the case. They're highly used in ToO, because that is a completley different playlist. People move around the map less and the gun fights are typically at a further range out. In 6v6, you're going to see way more shotgunners than snipers.
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Am I the only sniper that finds the lower aim assist snipers to be easier to use? I was all about LDR until I finally got my hands on efrideets and never looked back. (Not a final round efrideets either)
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I agree with everything except the weapon sway
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I think they just need to turn the aim assist waaaaaaayyyy down.
