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6/11/2015 6:54:48 PM
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Wow 80% off people have said no.
From this i adduce 80% off you guys are idiots.
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Nobody cares
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Alas I agree the unintelligent and ignorant rarely do.
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I'm not a Civil Rights Activist, I guess that makes me a racist. I'm not an Animal Rights Activist, I guess that makes me an animal abuser. I'm not a Feminist, I guess that makes me a sexist.
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Who said you have to be an activist? Feminism is a believe you don't have to campaign to align your believes with feminism. So yes not being a feminist makes you sexist (or at best unsure). Or to make it more simple Feminism is to sexism as pro tolerance is to racism. If the question was should women have equal rights would you have voted no then? (That was the question by the way just worded differently)
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That would be a pointless question because women do have equal rights
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That was the question. Just because they do doesn't make the question pointless? I'm not sure I get where you are coming from?
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Why would you ask "should women have equal rights?" When they already do? What would you gain from that?
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This notion that people that aren't feminists are sexists is just ridiculous. Feminists and Masculists wish to achieve equality of the sexes, but they both focus on just one gender and their issues. Sorry, but that's not true equality, neither of these ways of thinking will achieve it. I'm not interested in attaching myself to labels like these as they only attract the stupidest of people, and once you're in the boat with these people, you're instantly compared to them. You essentially become what these people are in the eyes of those outside the boat. Movements/thought groups (whatever you want to call yourself) like these are always terrible at policing their own movement and do little to nothing to disassociate themselves with the extremists that "share" their label. I don't want to be a part of that. When I see someone, I don't think of them as a male, female, white, black, asian, poor or rich person, to me, they're just another piece of meat on a rock, so no, I'm not sexist, racist or whatever other noun I might be. You can calm down with the snidey attacks too, they don't aid an argument, they just make the perpetrator seem rather childish.If you want to talk about people being equal, why don't you show that you truly believe in it by showing respect to those who "don't share" your beliefs.
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But what if my belief is that people who are not feminist don't deserve respect? Now you have to respect my belief and right to disrespect you. Firstly feminism is not a label it is belief. This would be like saying Christianity is a label its just not. You are a feminist if you align with its beliefs, whether you want to call you self one or not. Just like you are a human being whether or not you hate the *ahem* label. Feminists believe women should have equal rights to men. If you believe that you are a feminist like it or not. A masculinist is someone that advocates male rights (note not necessarily equality by the way) however the two are not mutually exclusive (you can in fact be both) Also let me apologise that you have taken some of my remarks as snide as they are genuinely in most cases (I would say like 80 - 90% at least) not meant to be. I am merely trying to inject a little humour in order to keep things light hearted in an attempt to not end up in a die newbeski die situation (like the king of boogers). This is especially important as I often do respect the people I am arguing with and calling muppets and would rather them not join the newbeski hate club. Labels and quips aside I think we can agree that we both believe, despite other believes, taints and without connotations, that women should have equal status to men. I would argue that this means we are, by the literal dictionary definition, feminists but am willing to settle on disagreeing as long as we can agree on the aforementioned far more important less petty fact.
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Your way of thinking is very easily exploited and here is why: First you define feminism as a belief and an aspect of a persons personality. Then you say, if you possess what I defined, you are a feminist. This is wrong because your definition is not necessarily completely correct, most definitely not for the entire group. Another reason that rather than being wrong is just plain ignorant and arrogant, is how you take from people the right to choose whether they want to be labelled as feminists. Personally I believe in equality, which by your logic makes me a feminist. However, I identify as an egalitarian, partly because of feminist extremists giving feminism a bad name, and if I were to call myself a feminist, I would not be taken seriously at all. That is my choice.
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Firstly I did not define feminism I took the definition from the dictionary because that is where things in large are defined. You do get to decide if you are a feminist but not by way of label by way of believe. I could make the statement that all egalitarians are feminists but not all feminists are egalitarians. You seem to think that you can base an argument of a version of something you have arbitrarily made made up. The argument here seems less am I a feminist and more what is a feminist. I have fallen back to the default definition of one (as per the dictionary). Can someone please explain why it is OK to disagree with a few people and then use that as a tool to change the definition of a word. As for labels I people are labeled and have labels whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Don't make the mistake of thinking that a label defines you completely. We can't have a debate without agreeing upon the definition of the word. I have taken the standard accepted and published definition you have taken a your own warped version and in doing so risk accidentally damaging the original idea.
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I did not choose a warped version of a definition, I merely questioned whether one should apply a label to a person based on a definition found in a dictionary, which is still written by people and which some people may disagree with. Moreover, while some on the Internet already separate feminists from feminazis with actual different labels, I highly doubt this is the case elsewhere. Meaning, when people say they are feminists or they are labelled as such by others, and they are then targeted as feminazis. [spoiler]Just trying to be practical; so long as feminists are regarded as feminazis, not a single person will listen to a proclaimed feminist.[/spoiler] [spoiler]Honest question: is the word feminazi in your dictionary? [/spoiler]
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Feminazi is in the Oxford English dictionary but it means something different from your version. I think your version would be called chauvinism. We have to at some point agree on a common definition otherwise we end arguing (as we have done) for the same point under different words. If we can't go by the dictionary then what can we go by?
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If we want to label people by a definition, the definition should be the general impression given of by said label, I think, to avoid confusion. Does that sound reasonable? Do that, and I can very well agree with you on most of the rest.
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If that is to say the majority should choose the definition of words then I would agree.
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Excellent. Have a nice morning/afternoon/evening/night.
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I love you, please marry me
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Ironic how someone who presumably advocates for people to be able to identify themselves however they wish is forcing a label onto someone else. Remember when I said some people who call themselves feminists redefine words and concepts to rationalize and justify their beliefs? You just did that.
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You know what Damien - I like you your alright. Wrong but alright. Firstly I am going by the Oxford English definition which is the only real definition (those preppy Cambridge guys can go to hell) Secondly I have no issues about forcing labels on to people and I would say that letting people label themselves is a terrible idea. For example I would label you as a human. Now you can get all annoyed and say that it's not OK for me to label you as human (thus earning yourself the labels: weird and stupid) but it would not change the fact that you are human. Feminism is a believe you with agree with it or you don't. I am arguing for the real definition of feminism and not the tainted version people seem to have adapted it too.
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I like what you said there.
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Well I feel great someone just called me a liar and I don't lie!!!!!!!
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Who called you a liar. Also you are a liar as you do lie as does everyone (more often than not for the right reasons)
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Hey babe. ^ ~
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Hey :P
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Making friends, I see.
