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Edited by Nerd_Herd:
12/10/2025 5:14:22 PM
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Bungie developers no longer have the ability or resources to make public patrol areas since Final Shape.
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I don’t believe that for one second that’s just the narrative they’re playing on so they get pity and ppl spend more in eververse (if there’s any pity left that is) They’ve got Sony backing them
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That's not a real thing. That doesn't come from Bungie. That's just a nugget of manure from a guy who makes shyt up to bolster his imaginary narrative.
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Edited by Nerd_Herd: 12/10/2025 5:20:55 PMSo with a competently run company with talented staff, you would be correct. 1. The Bungie devs of old, i.e., the "Talent" are mostly gone. What we have left are the compliant dregs who survived the layoffs and introduced auch wonderful features such as Unstable cores "for our benefit". 2. Bungie pissed away most of their money; failed incubation projects, a new building, working in Seattle etc. Sony is squeezing them for every penny that landed in their execs pockets.
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Squeezing them? They own them. They give bungie pocket money to build things with, the stuff they build sucks so less pocket money. We are now at the stage where 1 more big mistake & no more pocket money. There's a reason there's no roadmap for destiny, Sony are waiting for marathon pre orders in January before handing out pocket money.
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Bungie'a fate was entirely self inflicted. Sony gave them more than [b] 3 billion dollars [/b], a foolish decision to be sure but that amount of money was staggeringly large, and then pissed away as I previously stated. The fact that Bungie is now dependent of additional Sony financing is utterly because they have repeatedly failed to reinvest their profits into Destiny, their only money making venture. Now Sony has absorbed Bungie and is recouping their significant losses. I have little fsith they will reinvest in a company and IP that has repeatedly proven to be badly managed.
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Edited by Creapure®: 12/12/2025 3:26:29 PMDestiny made 300m in 2022, & has made less year on year since. Sony didn't buy them for destiny, it would take 20 years more destiny to get their outlay back & they said to Jason Schrier last year that destiny is in end of life - not even sure we get another year. They needed to change, destiny isn't the future for them, they just chose the wrong options & blew all their profits, they believed their own hype & it's all on them. Most of the Devs are long gone & the new wave are 9-5 box tickers. They told you why destiny is done, playerbase getting older, & not spending, no new players coming through, basically it's end of days as a business venture. You adapt or die, they adapted & failed (it seems) & survival lies with an extraction shooter nobody wants, which is maybe 4 years too late.
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Edited by Nerd_Herd: 12/12/2025 3:51:16 PM[quote]Destiny made 300m in 2022, & has made less year on year since. Sony didn't buy them for destiny, it would take 20 years more destiny to get their outlay back & they said to Jason Schrier last year that destiny is in end of life - not even sure we get another year. [/quote] Please cite exactly where did I make any of the claims you are attributing to me. [Quote] They needed to change, destiny isn't the future for them, they just chose the wrong options & blew all their profits, they believed their own hype & it's all on them. Most of the Devs are long gone & the new wave are 9-5 box tickers. [/quote] You just paraphrased what I posted earlier. So I ask, what is the point of your arguement? [Quote] They told you why destiny is done, playerbase getting older, & not spending, no new players coming through, basically it's end of days as a business venture. You adapt or die, they adapted & failed (it seems) & survival lies with an extraction shooter nobody wants, which is maybe 4 years too late.[/quote] Please explain how this is in conflict with anything I previously posted. It would seem you are very confused about the point I was making.
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There was a gaming article about company earnings in 2022, I believe it publishes every year. Bungie was 300m total income, the Warframe studio was 270m, I remember because it said bungie had 1200 staff & digital extremes had just 75. The losses year on year was from a bungie article about the studio, maybe why it was sold & why they moved into other ips. Might have been about the layoffs & why they cut expansions. I read a lot. They absolutely said expansions have sold less year on year & less profits year on year since shadowkeep, they absolutely said the playerbase is getting old, no new players coming through & this model isn't sustainable. It's all out there if you wanna go look.
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[quote]Bungie was 300m total income, the Warframe studio was 270m, I remember because it said bungie had 1200 staff & digital extremes had just 75.[/quote] Yet somehow DE have their stuff together and have a game getting new content and/or a patch update every other week
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Yeah that's likely down to consistent player numbers so investing is solid, plus a company that pays for itself - it's actually funny after years of abuse Warframe got from destiny about numbers that Warframe now has much higher daily numbers than destiny. For context I don't know if the numbers quoted were income or profit, I'd assume profit but it does show how Sony didn't buy bungie for destiny, it's 20 years before they'd pay back the investment minimum.
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Edited by The-IIID-Emp1r3: 12/13/2025 8:33:43 PM[quote]Yeah that's likely down to consistent player numbers so investing is solid, plus a company that pays for itself - it's actually funny after years of abuse Warframe got from destiny about numbers that Warframe now has much higher daily numbers than destiny. For context I don't know if the numbers quoted were income or profit, I'd assume profit but it does show how Sony didn't buy bungie for destiny, it's 20 years before they'd pay back the investment minimum.[/quote] Also pretty sure DE leadership and employees hasn't changed much since forever so everyone is all on the same page of what's going on, how what's created works (tools, game engine, past content, etc) and makes their game for the players without a care about "how much money" because they know the playerbase will invest cash be it a dollar or up to waay more as "thank you" support, helps with employee morale if you ask me, something bungo is in need of rn..
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Bungie used to be like this, sad ain't it. Even in early D1 bungie cared.
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Please explain how any of what you posted is in direct relation to the points I made, specifically how Bungie mismanged its funds, which you reiterated in support i part by stating they bet and are likely to fail with Marathon. Is English your first language? Are you confused perhaps?
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I replied to your comment of them wasting the billions Sony gave them. It put the reply to your earlier post to someone else - coz bungie things - I agree wott you 100% on the post you originally made, I hadn't even seen that post.
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Why thank you. As it seems you now reocgnise that we are on the same page, it would suggest that you are not in disagreement with me.
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The buyout money wasn't for the studio to use, it was for owners & investors. It's like selling your house, then spending the money on the house you no longer own 😆
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Edited by Nerd_Herd: 12/12/2025 3:29:37 PMFortunately, we have empirical facts that state your opinion, which you are free to have, is wrong. "the company stresses that the studio will continue to operate independently, and maintain the ability to self-publish, as part of SIE." https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/sony-to-acquire-destiny-developer-bungie-in-3-6-billion-deal "When Sony announced its intention to acquire Destiny 2 developer Bungie in January 2022 for an eye-watering $.3.6 billion, it said the company would be "an independent subsidiary" under the direction of the studio's then-current management team, and that it would remain a multiplatform studio with the option "to self-publish and reach players wherever they choose to play." " https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/sony-has-seen-enough-3-years-after-acquiring-bungie-sony-says-the-days-of-independence-are-over-and-its-future-is-to-become-part-of-playstation-studios/ Also, it is impossible to to take away independence of something that according to you did't exist eh? "Sony Will Curtail Bungie’s ‘Independence,’ Folding It Into PlayStation Soon" https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2025/08/07/sony-will-curtail-bungies-independence-fold-it-into-playstation-soon/ Finally, does your incorrect pedentry serve a purpose? Because you are literally repeating what I have been claiming, that Bungie DID NOT reinvest the billions they had back into Destiny in any significant manner.
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You're not understanding what I'm saying. Bungie was sold for 2.2b, & 1.4b was staff retention, so 3.6b. The 2.2b doesnt go to bungie to spend on whatever they want, it's spent by Sony to buy all the shares in bungie, so it goes to shareholders, not straight into the company budget. Whatever business you choose, it has owners. The bigger business have shareholders because of the cost & they reduce risk by selling shares. The incentive is work hard, increase share price & sell. People all over the world earned parts of bungie, staff had shares & owned bungie. When Sony buy bungie they don't put the money into bungie, it goes to the owners of the shares bank accounts. The OG bungie Devs got like 700m each (that's a guess) & that's why Pete parsons retired & the guy they fired years ago (o donnel) thanked sony for buying his shares & making him crazy rich.
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Edited by Nerd_Herd: 12/12/2025 3:39:02 PMForutnately, we once again have empirical proof that not only were you wrong, yoh have proven to have no understanding how finance works. "When you buy shares, the money goes directly to the company (in an IPO or new issuance) or to another investor (on the secondary market). [B] The company uses the funds from new share sales for growth: hiring, R&D, new equipment, marketing, acquisitions, paying debt, or general operations, essentially funding expansion without taking on debt [/b]. The money from secondary market sales just changes hands between investors, not the company. " https://www.rbcgam.com/en/ca/learn-plan/investment-basics/what-are-stocks-and-how-do-they-work/detail#:~:text=Stocks%20represent%20small%20'pieces'%20of,Initial%20Public%20Offering%20(IPO).
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But this literally makes zero sense. Lets keep it simple right. If 10 men own bungie, they all own 10%, they started the business, built it up, it's their company., if it's sold it's their money, that's how ownership works Now a big Sony come in & value it at 10b, to buy it, if the owners agree, Sony buy the shares & pay the owners, so Sony pay, & each owner gets 1b each = 10b. Sony now own the company, & everything linked. The former owners now don't own anything, but have 1b each in their bank accounts. They can either leave & enjoy the money, or stay working, but as an employee not an owner. Why would they spend their money on a studio that Sony own? If the 3.6b went into the bungie books, it would be a loan, not a purchase. It's the equivalent of you own a house, a guy buys your house & pays you. He says you can stay living in the house for a few years as he's only moving in then. Would you spend the money he gave you, on the house? Given it's not your house anymore. Of course you wouldn't. That's why Sony paid 1.4b in staff retention, because simply buying them out means they'd all just leave having been made wealthy.
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I am utterly unsurprised at your inability to make sense of what I shared, since you have not only proven not to understand how company shares work, but [b] continue [/b] to insist on using [b] incorrect layman terminology [/b] to correct a financial definition. I am once again, sharing how money used to buy a company's shares works in [b]finance[/b]. [quote]Forutnately, we once again have empirical proof that not only were you wrong, yoh have proven to have no understanding how finance works. "When you buy shares, the money goes directly to the company (in an IPO or new issuance) or to another investor (on the secondary market). [B] The company uses the funds from new share sales for growth: hiring, R&D, new equipment, marketing, acquisitions, paying debt, or general operations, essentially funding expansion without taking on debt [/b]. The money from secondary market sales just changes hands between investors, not the company. " https://www.rbcgam.com/en/ca/learn-plan/investment-basics/what-are-stocks-and-how-do-they-work/detail#:~:text=Stocks%20represent%20small%20'pieces'%20of,Initial%20Public%20Offering%20(IPO).[/quote]
