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9/9/2020 8:14:32 AM
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Return Skill-Based Matchmaking to the Crucible
I'm sure this is not the first time that this post has been made, but it's a very touch and go issue with some members of the community that I finally feel like it is my time to contribute.
With the exception of Trials, and maybe a few select game modes designed to be fun, like Team Scorched or Mayhem, the overall experience in the Crucible ever since SBMM was removed has been a severe DOWNGRADE in quality of the game.
Prior to the removal of SBMM, the Crucible experience was actually enjoyable for me, because it was challenging enough to push myself, but not so hard that I'd be getting steamrolled every match.
Nowadays, even in Iron Banner, where it says while hovering over the icon "Matchmaking Prefers: Similar Skill", my matches do NOT play as if operating on SBMM. The reason I can ascertain this is due to the fact that, if the game was in fact operating under the SBMM premise, my matches would start to balance out after maybe 2-3 games, due to the game evaluating my skill level and matching pairing me with people around a similar rank. This is not happening, and instead, I, and many people who I've talked to, are constantly getting steamrolled.
The Premise of taking away SBMM was probably one of the worst "balance" changes made to the game, seeing as how the entire PvP experience has instead been thrown totally out of whack.
Instead, after talking with a few people, I'd like to offer an alternate approach.
There HAS to be some degree of SBMM, otherwise the PvP experience is going to continue to go downhill. Rather than completely remove it from the game, have a SEASONAL skill reset for all players. Similar to what some competitive games would classify as a "Placement Match", players would operate under Connection-based Matchmaking for their first....say....10-20 matches. After that point in time, the game would then evaluate their skill based on their performance, and start to Matchmake them based on said evaluating skill, matching them against easier or harder opponents as their SBMM rank rises or falls.
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Mostly would like SBMM but I am only here to have fun and honest I don't care about the "Get Good mentality" if that is truly what you want then you should be asking for it as it will ensure you are able to play with people who will make you better and if you're against it then you don't actually want to push yourself yo become better this is a skill like any other you don't walk into a gym and bench double your body weight in the first session your build-up to it. Just my $.2
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I agree, it needs to return. Part of the reason they removed it was so the pro's feel like they're awesome playing against inexperienced PvP players. It's the pro's that itch and complain about it as it matches them to other pro players that kick their backsides. So removed SBMM so the pro's can feel great again.
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196 RepliesAbsolutely not, sbmm was killing the game for a year, it has no place in laid back casual 6vs6, if you're constantly vetting steamrolled you either have the worst luck in the world and are soley matching top tier teams which isnt the case off your game history or, more likely you are getting steamrolled by average players which would mean you have to be well below average. The only remedy should be you trying to improve. Not have a victim mentality and ask bungie to hold your hand
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Since when have gamers become so lazy that they want no challenge whatsoever in games now, my god..... Git Gud.
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“I don’t want to learn the game so I want to vs other people that don’t want to learn either so I can pretend I’ve learned the game and actually have a good game” - OP
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1 ReplyGit Gud? This is a git gud right? Can anyone give me confirmation?
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play sbmm modes ,
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Git gud ?
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8 Repliesreality has sunk in. you’re not as good as you thought you were. if you care about your performance that much in 6s then you’re doing pvp wrong. CBMM 6v6 is fine as is. it’s literallly a chaotic mode. there is no endgame mats to earn, no special emblems, no glory to show off, etc. just load up a match and have fun.
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3 RepliesPersonally I can’t be convinced it hasn’t come back already. Like the first week of cbmm was applied to the crucible playlists connections were great, now connections are awful again.
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This a repeat of July 2018 when the sbmm "glitched" out during an update. A vocal segment of the community claimed it was the best thing since Betty white. Population declined when folks like tou stopped playing, and the try hards had no one to stomp, so by the next season, sbmm was back Bungie didn't learn from their mistakes.
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Even below average players prefer cbmm. You must be in the bottom 1% of players if you are having issues that would lead you to make this post. Theres other pvp games if you want that experience. Maybe fall guys would be more suitable for your skill requirements.
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You can't make everyone happy, some people like CBMM over SBMM, and some people like SBMM over CBMM. I personaly don't mind either.
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It's funny I ran into less laggy players when sbmm was around than I do with cbmm. Wheres the logic in that?
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blame bungo if they nerf auto rifles people would go back to being trash like there supposed to be.
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Return SBMM to rumble sure cause it’s extremely boring now just farming bots but 6’s should never have SBMM since it’s a casual mode that’s not that serious.
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12 RepliesHere are some of ops other posts: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/257032686/0/0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/256037084/0/0 Doesn't know what drop mag does and doesn't keep inventory slots clear while running activities Is it any wonder that players like this are also pro-sbmmers? It's a lack of interest in learning the ins and outs of the game and lack of interest in improving. Coupled of course with a large sense of entitlement (I bought the game so I deserve to have the matchmaking ensure my pvp experience is dumbed down to a level I'm not inept at)
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It will be back. Its always a cycle with bungie. They go sbmm to make the masses happy. Then they switch to appease the minority. Matter of time.
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2 RepliesRemove SBMM..... bring back SBMM...... Remove SBMM.... bring back SBMM blah blah blah Make up your god damn mind people!
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1 ReplySBMM or CBMM No matter which one they call it, the game is still a laggy mess with spotty hit detection. Not to mention the game CANT be "Connection Based" when my lobbies are made up of people from literally each corner of the flipping earth. Unless there's a ton of European and Asian players using VPN to make the game think they're in American or something...
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9 RepliesEdited by Stark: 9/9/2020 4:51:02 PMnah dude, you can now use other weapons/exotics since you dont need to always put on a sweat loadout. if you want to "test" yourself go to comp where skmm is enabled, 6v6 is now fun and im saying this out of respect you have your opinion as well also its takes longer to match players with your skill which makes Que times longer
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2 RepliesAnyone remember in D1 when people on the Forums begged and pleaded for Sbmm to be removed? Oh how the turntables
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I dont spend alot of time playing pvp as I don't like it a hell of a lot, but since the change to cbmm, everything still appears to be the same as it was with sbmm in my opinion. Sometimes I get absolutely wrecked and sometimes I don't.....sometimes I vs good stacks, sometimes I verse not so good stacks..... The only difference I really have noticed is that matches alot of the time now take [i]longer[i] to matchmake than before lol Just my 2 cents on my experiences 👍
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It'll never happen if it does streamers and high skilled players will -blam!- and threaten to quit which while not hurting the game at all will hurt bungies pockets.
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Honestly neither CBMM or SBMM work, SBMM has you against playing against players of the same skill level regardless of what country they're from and that results in heavy lag and hitscan working late or not at all. And while CBMM put you against players in the same region it also had a chance to put you against one or more players of higher skill against you, not to mention premade teams throwing it off and made worse with Iron Banner proving this.
