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1/6/2015 8:06:16 PM
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Ghost Fragment: Vex 3
[quote]From the Records of the Ishtar Collective
SUNDARESH: I have a plan.
ESI: If you have a plan, then so does your sim, and the Vex knows about it.
DUANE-MCNIADH: Does it matter? If we're in Vex hell right now, there's nothing we can -
SHIM: Stop talking about 'real' and 'unreal.' All realities are programs executing laws. Subjectivity is all that matters.
SUNDARESH: We have to act as if we're in the real universe, not one simulated by the specimen. Otherwise we might as well give up.
ESI: Your sim self is saying the same thing.
SUNDARESH: Chioma, love, please hush. It doesn't help.
DUANE-MCNIADH: Maybe the simulations are just billboards! Maybe they don't have interiority! It's bluffing!
SHIM: I wish someone would simulate you shutting up.
SUNDARESH: If we're sims, we exist in the pocket of the universe that the Vex specimen is able to simulate with its onboard brainpower. If we're real, we need to get outside that bubble.
ESI: ...we call for help.
SUNDARESH: That's right. We bring in someone smarter than the specimen. Someone too big to simulate and predict. A warmind.
SHIM: In the real world, the warmind will be able to behave in ways the Vex can't simulate. It's too smart. The warmind may be able to get into the Vex and rescue - us.
DUANE-MCNIADH: If we try, won't the Vex torture us for eternity? Or just erase us?
SUNDARESH: It may simply erase us. But I feel that's preferable to...the alternatives.
ESI: I agree.
SHIM: Once we try to make the call, the Vex may...react. So let's all savor this last moment of stability.
SUNDARESH: [indistinct sounds]
SHIM: You two are adorable.
DUANE-MCNIADH: I wish I'd taken that job at Clovis. [/quote]
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Does anyone else sense the similarities between Dr. Shim's dialogue and the ghost? From reading the quote above I feel like they have somewhat similar personalities. "Let's enjoy the moment of stability..." "Can't we just stay here with the murderous robots instead?". Also, when the ghost analyses the vex columns he seems intrigued by it, similar to how I imagine Shim would be had he come upon new information regarding the vex. Could the be carrying over from before he was a ghost?
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I believe our ghost is the travellers reincarnation of dr shim. The archive mission makes me think he is.
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Thanks for the reply and this is interesting but I am also curious is little light or us the guardian dr shim?
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Neither. There's no evidence to suggest otherwise. The computer system in the archives is not a Smart AI, the way your Ghost or Rasputin (or Cortanna in Halo) are smart AIs. It's an audio interface. Dr. Shim was a scientist who studied the Vex, and he's been dead a long time, likely during the Collapse. The computer system likely was programmed to address anyone entering as Dr. Shim, as maybe he was the only one with access. When your Ghost says "never mind that," he's not trying to hide anything. The reason the computer system addresses you as Dr. Shim doesn't matter. Neither you nor your Ghost are Dr. Shim, so why would your Ghost or you dwell on it?
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Edited by XiX GhOsTx XiX: 1/6/2015 8:41:09 PMI would be inclined to believe this, in fact this is what I thought but after playing that mission dozens of times, I can't help but feel like the tone in your Ghosts voice suggests that something is being hidden. He's just too quick to encourage you to dismiss it as nothing/unimportant. But, that's just my opinion, maybe we'll find the answer sometime in the future. Edit: and it's unlikely that Dr. Shim is the [b]only[/b] person with access to a 'archive' of information. Any of the scientists would have access that worked there.
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I think it suggests Ghost is in a hurry. You're on a mission to secure the archive's contents with a pack of Fallen nipping at your heels, you don't have time to speculate as to why a centuries old computer system may "think" you're someone else (and again, I don't think the computer system is capable of "thinking," I'm pretty sure it's an audio interface). I could be wrong, of course, but there's not enough evidence for me to believe otherwise. I like a lot of the mystery involved in Destiny, but I don't think subtlety is its strong-suit. I'm in the camp that says the Traveler really is "good," Guardians are "good," the Darkness is "evil," and just because Bill Nighy is the voice actor doesn't make the Speaker "evil."
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Thanks, Buzz Killington.
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It's either I burst their bubble now or Bungie bursts it in the future... People can make up all the crazy story conspiracy ideas that they want (OMG SHEPARD WAS INDOCTRINATED THE WHOLE TIME!!), but I strongly suspect they'll be disappointed in the end.
