People really don't understand the difference. Cheese VOG, I assume having Atheon fall off the edge? This is a badly coded game mechanic that was exploited by many people as it was very easy to do. Bungie intended Atheon to be shot to death, not grenade spammed in a position it force the enemy to his death off the ledge. Not cheating, just not the intended way of doing it. Crota forever kneeling is an unintentional game mechanic where the host disconnects, ejects disc or dashboard quits the game just as he kneels. This can happen genuinely by accident if the host gets booted or has a power cut at that exact moment of crota kneeling. I agree if you are forcing this glitch on purpose, it can be seen as cheating. But at least understand the difference between cheat and cheese. One requires external manipulation outside of the game to achieve the end result. E.g. disc eject or dashboard quit.