Basically I will let you guys rant on about this, but my main issue with this is that people complain about the cheeses and believe me I do to! The one reason some people cheese is because, why do something that will take up all my time, when all the other Guardians are clearing the raid in under an hour. So most people feel it isn't fair, that these people get the benefit of the doubt and get items and gear by "cheating" and I agree with them, playing the game as its meant to played is way more fun then not. I understand a few things here and there like farming engrams. Now when the first loot cave came out sure I sat there to see how it worked and so did other guardians. Now stay toasty Guardians!