I tend to agree, In theory you could grind this game for years and not get the reward, you could complete 1000 raids and not get the 1000 voices, their terrible rng system totally needs looking into. I can fully admit I'll be jumping ship over to Anthem when it arrives, it's given me just the excuse I need, and it'll be a welcome break from the grind from this lacklustre Bleak farmery dlc, and miniscule Niobe labs joke. Anthems flight system and underwater travel, along with its Titanfall kinda feel has totally won me over, D3 when or if arrives must have some kinda flight, it's added a whole new welcome dynamic.

I feel the same way. In D1 I could grind strikes or patrols, do a little iron banner here and there (despite hating pvp) and maybe get invited to a raid or two. Between vanguard, factions, and activity specific loot I always felt like I had plenty to do, a cool new weapon to try, and fun to be had. In D2 I hate milestones because I don't wanna play pvp, and gambit is miserable solo. Nobody I know raids anymore and I don't really LFG. And strike specific loot is only for nightfalls and even then has static rolls. D2 just feels restrictive and lame compared to D1. I'm not a fan. I think I'm just done with Destiny for the time being.

Quitting this game comes with a feeling of release and freedom that is unexplainable. You will soon find you have broken an addiction to a very unhealthy game. Then you will notice that these forums have become more fun than the game itself and you will realize they are just as addicting. Congratulations on your new found freedom.

[quote]Please, in your future efforts, put the wonder back into the games, and swap out grinding for accessible story.[/quote] What do you say, Bungie? Sounds like a good idea to me.

D2 release: not enough grind Forsaken: too much grind Why cant Bungie make a good balance of both? Why is this so difficult for them?. D1 had a decent balance imo. It wasnt perfect, but it wasn't any of the extremes (not too casual, but not unbearbly hardcore). There should be levels to the depth of the game. For example, look at monster hunter world, its endgame has levels of difficulty and grind. Compared to destiny, you finish the story, and then youre thrown stright into a hardcore grind. Theres little to no in between. I think thats where the problem lies.

The grind for those stupid cores nearly has me at this point too. If bungo wont remove them soon, they'll loose more than just me, I guarantee it. Also, Anthem...

Bought it on all platforms. Here people thought those log in numbers were real! Seriously though dude, you're what's wrong with gaming. You literally funded their laziness with glee.

If we listen carefully we will be able to hear the sound of the fanboy approaching. A special form of humans, the only difference being 50% less genes and just under two brain cells.

Wow, I'd hate to see how you reacted to a true MMO grind. Like, Destiny has one, sure, and it can be annoying from time to time with the RNG factor. But it's really nothing. Back in 1997, I started playing one of the first MMO's, Ultima Online. Not only did it have RNG loot drop, but all but a couple of your skills, like smithing, swordsmanship, magery, etc., started at 0.0%. Every time you took a related action, the skill could have a chance to go up by 0.1 to 0.8%. Most skills, you could get to about 35% in an hour, which is precisely enough to not fail everything every time. From then on, the grind began. At that point, skill increases slower to 0.1% almost every time, with a 0.2% increase being really rare. It also took more successes, or more difficult attempts, to trigger an increase. So making cheap armor was no longer an option. Now to increase smithing, you have to start making the more expensive and hard to make pieces. Mining, you had to locate and extract and smelt rarer ores, magery, attempt casting powerful spells, etc. All much more difficult and expensive, and all with less successes to show for it, meaning the cost to keep going was much higher. And to top it all off, skill progression rate was determined by current rate of skill use in the game. Thus if 50% of the game population were mages, magery, evaluate intelligence (damage bonus for magic), and meditation (recharge mana faster) would all gain skill 3-4 times slower than camping (useless). So the grind was extreme, as it could take months to get a single skill to 100.0 (and many more to get it to 120.0 if using power scrolls), and you had to do that for 7 individual skills. That's not even talking about getting money or items, buying a home, just skills. And functionally, the game only really begins once you hit 100+ in 2 or 3 skills; everything up until then has been the low end of the game. Trust me when I and many other current and former MMO players say, this grind is nothing more than an annoyance.

I'll never understand these posts, this is the post equivalent of making sure everyone knows you've gone vegan.

Must admit, for me the grind is over the top and this latest content drop (forges) is totally disappointing. While i do still play, it is for a fraction of the time during Forsaken and I probably will not take much if any advantage of the rest of my annual pass.

since you are clearly not leaving - as you posted on forums instead of walking away, or is it just you are an attention whore - doesn't matter. What "matched-progress co-op grind" are you referring to specifically?